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« on: March 01, 2011, 09:59:22 am »

Hi I've the 400x with its dongle for wifi connection.  All my mkv file at 1080p are not playable in the sense that it seems the playback goes at 23spf (second per frame) not fps .

Anyone else has this issue ?


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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2011, 11:39:55 am »

The limitations of using the wi-fi dongle are discussed often:-
http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,4567.msg31453.html#msg31453
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2011, 02:04:28 pm »

The limitations of using the wi-fi dongle are discussed often:-
http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,4567.msg31453.html#msg31453

I've read it and let me say I find it crazy to have bought this media player and discover at the end of all that  it is not usable for wifi heavy streaming.

I think customers are not so interested on why it doesn't work, they just expect it to work. I bought the player with dongle because I thought I would have use them both, now I have an unusable mediaplayer at home.

I'm just interested on watching my movies, and after all this player cant do it at all.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2011, 07:00:34 pm »

I've read it and let me say I find it crazy to have bought this media player and discover at the end of all that  it is not usable for wifi heavy streaming.

I think customers are not so interested on why it doesn't work, they just expect it to work. I bought the player with dongle because I thought I would have use them both, now I have an unusable mediaplayer at home.

I'm just interested on watching my movies, and after all this player cant do it at all.


Yes it can, only not in your setup somehow.
I just read through your post but the only thing you tell is that streaming over wifi is not working, further no details. If you want some help I suggest you start giving some more details, look at the Technical Support Guidelines. Maybe then we are able to give you some hints or tips to make it working or just start reading on the forum as there are enough post that are simular and can give you an idea howto move forward.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2011, 08:44:10 pm »

Yes it can, only not in your setup somehow.
I just read through your post but the only thing you tell is that streaming over wifi is not working, further no details. If you want some help I suggest you start giving some more details, look at the Technical Support Guidelines. Maybe then we are able to give you some hints or tips to make it working or just start reading on the forum as there are enough post that are simular and can give you an idea howto move forward.

Well, I dont know how details can solve the issue. From my point of view the issue is simple: I've an n wifi  home network, I just want to stream wireless from the network nas but if I use a pc connected via hdmi to the tv it all works fine, if I use the med400x to do the same thing I can not stream the mkv at 1080p . The only variable in the sistem is the mediaplayer so from my point of view it is not a network or system problem, but just a problem of the med400x which is not able to do such a job easily.

I'll be grateful for any help, but really I dont think there should be needed any tips to do such an mandatory work for an object which is called media player. Even because I've bought it only to use it with wifi connection.

Let me say if someone see this topic http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,45.0.html he will be excited but  he will have a really bad surprise after purchasing. I'm in that situation and even if someone here will guide me to solve it (really I dont think so) it remains a product for expert user not for common people which make it a player that do not worth the cost.

Anyway I'm waiting for solutions or if you need any other details just ask for them.

Thanks.




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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2011, 09:07:04 pm »

You could start to give some details about your network config  setup, distance, what media plays (and stating HD is not enough).... Only with more detail people can start giving you a direction of a solution.

All good solutions come with giving enough details about a problem.....

So if you don't give more, nobody can give you any clue....
If you have the idea that you are misinformed by your reseller and don't want to put any effort finding a solution-> go back and return the box with some good arguments.

In your case as a first step, I would start updating the firmware to V4 and follow the instructions in the release notes.
Be sure to verify if the bootloader is updated to version 26, because that will give better streaming performance.
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2011, 09:09:55 pm »

I don't think you will be happy getting help which only get's the best possible performance out of the Med using the dongle. We can't help you make the Med do more than that without some compromise on your side.  

Networking is only plug'n'play if you use UPNP. My sony bluray player supports networking using UPNP, and achieves reliability by telling the server  to grossly limit the bitrate to well below that of bluray, and transcode everything above that limit down, usually into a blocky mess.  Sanji could have done the same with the Med. Instead they allow you to play high bitrate files for the benefit of those who can tune their networks to achieve it. I know which  approach I prefer.  
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2011, 10:44:20 pm »

You could start to give some details about your network config  setup, distance, what media plays (and stating HD is not enough).... Only with more detail people can start giving you a direction of a solution.

All good solutions come with giving enough details about a problem.....

So if you don't give more, nobody can give you any clue....
If you have the idea that you are misinformed by your reseller and don't want to put any effort finding a solution-> go back and return the box with some good arguments.

In your case as a first step, I would start updating the firmware to V4 and follow the instructions in the release notes.
Be sure to verify if the bootloader is updated to version 26, because that will give better streaming performance.

Thanks.
First of all, in my opinion a mediaplayer must not have problem on streaming wifi from  home network enviroment. Here we're talking about basic functionality, not extra.

So my network config is static ip with apple airport, distance is few meters. Anyway, I expected the 400x to work properly since I have no problems with a notebook in the same position.

Regarding media types, I just want to play video and not be worried about its playability, I think all the common users want this, I am still wondering why manufacturers are so lazy on giving such a basic thing.

I think misinformation has started from the manufacturer that is the reason why I am here. Anyway I've run all the update available, try to change dongle position. I'm here to try to find a solution for me and for all the owners of this product, otherwise I would yet  have returned it back.

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2011, 10:51:49 pm »

I don't think you will be happy getting help which only get's the best possible performance out of the Med using the dongle. We can't help you make the Med do more than that without some compromise on your side.  

Networking is only plug'n'play if you use UPNP. My sony bluray player supports networking using UPNP, and achieves reliability by telling the server  to grossly limit the bitrate to well below that of bluray, and transcode everything above that limit down, usually into a blocky mess.  Sanji could have done the same with the Med. Instead they allow you to play high bitrate files for the benefit of those who can tune their networks to achieve it. I know which  approach I prefer.  

What should I have to do to get the best possible performance out of the Med using the dongle ?

Anyway I also have a bdp supporting dlna, same does the tv but they both dont play mkv files with upnp. This is the reason why I was searching for a media player. I was thinking this 400x could have been a solution for such an easy job, now I understand I likely was wrong. I cant be happy with a product that make me going crazy to configure my environment just to play one file. If this is the only option than I think I'll be happier without this 400x in my system.


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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2011, 11:43:46 pm »

For a start you could used Mediainfo on the MKV so we have some idea of the bitrate your trying to stream.   From your description it sounds higher than the Max throughput of  the Med using the dongle. If thats the case it's up to you to decide if your willing to consider changes to your Network like Vulturian was, or not as the case may be.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 11:46:29 pm »

For a start you could used Mediainfo on the MKV so we have some idea of the bitrate your trying to stream.   From your description it sounds higher than the Max throughput of  the Med using the dongle. If thats the case it's up to you to decide if your willing to consider changes to your Network like Vulturian was, or not as the case may be.

For instance a movie 1920x1080 with a bitrate of 384.000Kb freezes . I dont know what is the maximum value. Anyway I'm having it since few days but I am yet a bit fed up of trying to make this product work
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2011, 11:56:18 pm »

You can find media info here:
http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/

Just run the program on your pc and open the media file with it.
Then look in text view and you see al details of the file and cut and paste the output here to get some idea about what kind of HD files you try to stream.
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2011, 02:26:12 am »

For instance a movie 1920x1080 with a bitrate of 384.000Kb freezes . I dont know what is the maximum value. Anyway I'm having it since few days but I am yet a bit fed up of trying to make this product work

at that rate., around 3mb,  should run fine over wifi
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2011, 08:47:35 am »

Maybe reframe rate is to high, can only say ssomething with media info output.
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