Feedback for - V3.0.7 - 4Dec2014 BETA -X3D Series

[zed85]

Ok maybe the following videos will clear things up.

First, a 3D movie (Need for Speed 3D, 2014) with filename "Need for Speed (2014).mkv"
When I attempt to play this movie, my TV detects that it is an 3D movie and asks to enable the TV's 3D function.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIHn8g-ycqw

Next, the same 3D movie (Need for Speed 3D, 2014) with filename "Need for Speed (2014).MVC.MKV"
When I attempt to play this movie it starts the movie in the Mede8er 3D function and my TV does NOT detect it is an 3D movie so it does not ask to enable the TV's 3D function.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH08qMxc0bc

What I would like to say is that the Mede8er software 3D function / MVC filename tag does not send a "Hello, I am a 3D movie" message to my 3D tv.

Is this how the "MVC" filename function supposed to work?

[jer1956]

It works exactly the same as using .TB.  did before. There is no point expecting the new trigger to be debugged if you have issues with the old one. You have to show the old one works, and the new one dosn,t.

[Maasbommel]

Could it be some specific setting on your TV?
Have you checked all 3D settings on that side?

[zed85]

Could it be some specific setting on your TV?
Have you checked all 3D settings on that side?

The only options available on my tv are enable or disable automatic detecting of a 3D signal. This is default enabled and doesn't make a difference. I did not use the other .TAB format before. It would make sense if this will be handled the same.

I started to test this because this was on the release notes. I'm just trying to tell in my opinion it looks like it doesnt work like it should work. It's just strange when adding .MVC. to the filename, the software 3D function is automaticly enabled and the trigger to my TV to enable the 3D function does not work anymore.

[ghandar]

"3. Dev - Video playback: will support Multi play for ISO media"

May I ask what this means?

[jer1956]

The only options available on my tv are enable or disable automatic detecting of a 3D signal. This is default enabled and doesn't make a difference. I did not use the other .TAB format before. It would make sense if this will be handled the same.

I started to test this because this was on the release notes. I'm just trying to tell in my opinion it looks like it doesnt work like it should work. It's just strange when adding .MVC. to the filename, the software 3D function is automaticly enabled and the trigger to my TV to enable the 3D function does not work anymore.

So why not test the older format? You seem loath to do so incase its an unsolvable issue with your TV. As it stands your not encouraging us to believe a bug exists.

[Maasbommel]

Ok maybe the following videos will clear things up.

First, a 3D movie (Need for Speed 3D, 2014) with filename "Need for Speed (2014).mkv"
When I attempt to play this movie, my TV detects that it is an 3D movie and asks to enable the TV's 3D function.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIHn8g-ycqw

Next, the same 3D movie (Need for Speed 3D, 2014) with filename "Need for Speed (2014).MVC.MKV"
When I attempt to play this movie it starts the movie in the Mede8er 3D function and my TV does NOT detect it is an 3D movie so it does not ask to enable the TV's 3D function.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH08qMxc0bc

What I would like to say is that the Mede8er software 3D function / MVC filename tag does not send a "Hello, I am a 3D movie" message to my 3D tv.

Is this how the "MVC" filename function supposed to work?

Looking at both videos it seems like your TV is sensing automatically that it is a 3D video, but it somehow does not switch to 3D automatically - that is strange.
In the second video it is automatically forced to 3D mode by the mede8er but somehow the tv is not automatically merging the left and right frames to 3D. You see that on the double menu lines. But strange that it not also merges the left and right frames, It should.
This is not the normal behaviour you see with other 3D TV sets, never seen this.
Also not seen any simular posts on the forum here with this kind of behaviour.

Have you already checked if there is some FW update for your TV, looks like strange behaviour on the TV side.

[vbb]

Ok maybe the following videos will clear things up.

First, a 3D movie (Need for Speed 3D, 2014) with filename "Need for Speed (2014).mkv"
When I attempt to play this movie, my TV detects that it is an 3D movie and asks to enable the TV's 3D function.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIHn8g-ycqw

Next, the same 3D movie (Need for Speed 3D, 2014) with filename "Need for Speed (2014).MVC.MKV"
When I attempt to play this movie it starts the movie in the Mede8er 3D function and my TV does NOT detect it is an 3D movie so it does not ask to enable the TV's 3D function.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH08qMxc0bc

What I would like to say is that the Mede8er software 3D function / MVC filename tag does not send a "Hello, I am a 3D movie" message to my 3D tv.

Is this how the "MVC" filename function supposed to work?

I think what a lot of people don't realize is that there are several ways to play a 3D movie in the Mede8er (no matter if it's MVC, SBS, TAB):

1. Play a 3D file named Movie.Year.mkv, and the player will not know that it's 3D. It will not send a 3D signal to the TV. If your TV has 3D auto-detect enabled, it will then switch to 3D mode and process the 3D itself.

2. Play a 3D file named Movie.Year.SBS/TAB/MVC.mkv, and the player will know that it's 3D. It will send a 3D signal to the TV. If your TV has 3D auto-detect enabled, it will then switch to 3D mode and let the Mede8er do the 3D processing.

3. Play a 3D file named Movie.Year.mkv, and the player will not know that it's 3D. It will not send a 3D signal to the TV. If your TV has 3D auto-detect disabled, it will then not switch to 3D mode, but rather show the unprocessed side-by-side/top-and-bottom picture. In this case, you can trigger proper 3D by either forcing the TV or the Mede8er into 3D mode manually.

4. Play a 3D file named Movie.Year.SBS/TAB/MVC.mkv, and the player will know that it's 3D. It will send a 3D signal to the TV. If your TV has 3D auto-detect disabled, it will then not switch to 3D mode, but rather show the processed side-by-side/top-and-bottom picture, but in 2D mode. In this case, you can trigger proper 3D by forcing the TV into 3D mode manually.

5. If you have a TV like mine, where you have three options for 3D detection (off, 3D signal, 3D picture), it gets even more complicated.

Best thing is to always trigger the Mede8er to process 3D and send the proper signal to the display, whether it detects it automatically or not. I have a feeling that zed85's TV has always done the 3D processing without the Mede8er being in 3D mode.

[Maasbommel]

I just searched for the manual of his TV:
http://tda.panasonic-europe-service.com/docs/2z5480debbz3z39288z656ez706466z24z0104562a998dc25cfa0e08259491287174409f5f/tsn3/data/ALL/TXL42FT60B/OI/915355/TQB0E2340U-E.pdf

See page 172 and up.
There are multiple 3D settings for this TV.

The 3D detection setting does have 3 modes:
Advanced (ON), On, and OFF

My guess it is currently on a wrong setting.

[jer1956]

I just searched for the manual of his TV:
http://tda.panasonic-europe-service.com/docs/2z5480debbz3z39288z656ez706466z24z0104562a998dc25cfa0e08259491287174409f5f/tsn3/data/ALL/TXL42FT60B/OI/915355/TQB0E2340U-E.pdf

See page 172 and up.
There are multiple 3D settings for this TV.

The 3D detection setting does have 3 modes:
Advanced (ON), On, and OFF

My guess it is currently on a wrong setting.

Mine is using On, not advanced. You need it to switch to frame packed use automatically, but not its own anamorphic 3d processing automatically.

I just tried with the setting on Off. Its the TV displaying bottom right that's its 3d, so the player is doing what we expect....outputting 3d. The tv can't do anything more, without auto 3d enabled.

[nenito2k]

when can we expect a 3.0.7 FINAL FW ?!

[jer1956]

when can we expect a 3.0.7 FINAL FW ?!

My guess is Xmas Eve. Mede8er1 isn't happy if Maasbommel and I have nothing to do on Xmas day.

[zed85]

Ok I tried the 3DRL, MVC and TB syntax in the movie name.
3DRL seems to trigger my TV's 3D function. MVC and TB don't.

So:
When I use no extra syntax it triggers my TV to 3D mode. Mede8er 600x3d is still on 2D setting.
When I use 3DRL as syntax it triggers my TV to 3D mode. Mede8er 600x3d is still on 2D setting.

When I use MVC as syntax it does not trigger my TV to 3D mode but sets the Mede8er to 3D (settings while playing movie).
When I use the TB as syntax it does not trigger my TV to 3D mode but sets the Mede8er to 3D Top Bottom (settings while playing movie). 

What is the difference between MVC/TB and 3DRL?

[jer1956]

You keep  triggering the TV's 3d processing. You don't want it to process anything, just use the frame packed 3d sent by the player.

Do  you think these names do  real time conversion?  That's is not there purpose. You cant take a 2d mkv , add .MVC.  to  the name , and force the player to  convert it to MVC. 

[drfruit]

The sub search function still only shows the series name for me. Am I missing something?