Why not updating firmware on mede8er itself ?

[marcomaas]

I just bought the 600X3D and see I have very old firmware on it.
On the set up from the mede8er, you can check for updates. It says no updates available but on the forum I see mine is the olderst there is. Why is it not possible tp upgrade on the mede8er itself instead of using a flashdrive ?

[jer1956]

Because there is no code  to do it currently in the player.

[adamforeman]

Also it is still considered the best full proof way of updating your firmware without issue. Just ensure that you save your configuration file before you upgrade. Then reimport it afterwards.

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[marcomaas]

I did the update and it went oke, so it was not that difficult, I was just wundering why it is like it is.

[melexis]

Also it is still considered the best full proof way of updating your firmware without issue.

Do not agree! Look at board here and see how many people asking how to update, especially when they are beginners. The Mede8er is the only device I can remember where you have to deal with USB Sticks   Hey, we're in 2014!

Look at Dune media players, even my old HD-TV101 can upgrade directly via internet, and you have also a checkbox to show/enable beta Firmware updates. THIS is best way. So question is are there any plans for mede8er to adopt this feature?

[jsmiddleton4]

I'd say the code in the player is the easy part.  Maintaining the servers so as to provide the new firmware with all the logistics, security, etc., involved is the hard part and certainly a costly part.

[melexis]

Maintenance, Servers, Costs, Security?   Why?

You can downoad Firmware directly without Login and deeplink from here:
http://www.mede8er.org/beta/Firmwares_Beta/...
http://www.mede8er.org/Firmware_Final/...

They would just need to put a simple firmware catalogue/index file at http://www.mede8er.org and provide unpacked IMG files on their server instead of ZIP (the included MD5 file in ZIP is not necessary for flashing, tried some minutes ago). That's all you really need to do at server side. And the X3D Series has 512MB internal Flash, could be enough to block some 128MB for downloaded firmware.

But maybe some official support can explain. Is this board maintened by developers?

[jer1956]

Investigations have looked at this, but I'm not aware of how far they went. There was an exchange of views just recently on a feedback post about where priorities should be, between fixing playback issues, and issues that can be classed as irritations getting to the point of playback. This falls into that catagorie.  

People tend to only see the pros of this  issue. Licence owners could ask the system becomes mandatory, removing any chance of users sticking with old firmware once a licence runs out.  We do have some users sticking with old firmware to keep divx. Many dune users stuck with very old firmware when dune had to shift to cinavia equipped code, to keep full bd menu  support for rips. Players  would become like the steam platform for games. Without an internet connection the player wouldn't function as licence conformity couldn't be confirmed.

Panasonic's forced a newer version of the YouTube flash app on my smart TV when I wasn't looking. Its worse in my opinion, and I had no control over it. I have control of when I upgrade a med

[jsmiddleton4]

I prefer the USB route for all the reasons noted. 

Just because a thing can be easily stated, such as "Just have the img on..., the logistics are not always as easy.

The concept is straightforward no doubt.   The actually doing of it is a different matter.

[melexis]

@jsmiddleton4:
Explain me the difference in "logistics" for manufacturer between uploading an img or zip file on Server, maybe I understood you wrong, sorry my english is not so good.

@jer1956:
I'm not talking about forced Auto-Update and I'm also not asking to replace/remove the USB update feature.
It would be just an addional comfort. And user can/has to decide on ist own, nothing diferent then downloading firmware from website. Where you see loose of control? There are enough possibilities to prevent misuse. Beta Firmware only with hidden Checkbox, final firmware show warning dialog... Dune made it 100% perfect in my opinion.

"We do have some users sticking with old firmware to keep divx"
And this means what? If you open the Dune Update Dialog you get a list of all firmware back to year2011, you can flash whatever you want, even stock firmware.

[jer1956]

Once such code goes in licence holders can insist on exploiting it. I put nothing past the likes of rovi to do so.  

And as I said before as you don't update firmware that often, many would argue being possible is not the issue, its if its a destraction from fixing playback issues that worries many.

[halfelite]

Investigations have looked at this, but I'm not aware of how far they went. There was an exchange of views just recently on a feedback post about where priorities should be, between fixing playback issues, and issues that can be classed as irritations getting to the point of playback. This falls into that catagorie.  

People tend to only see the pros of this  issue. Licence owners could ask the system becomes mandatory, removing any chance of users sticking with old firmware once a licence runs out.  We do have some users sticking with old firmware to keep divx. Many dune users stuck with very old firmware when dune had to shift to cinavia equipped code, to keep full bd menu  support for rips. Players  would become like the steam platform for games. Without an internet connection the player wouldn't function as licence conformity couldn't be confirmed.

Panasonic's forced a newer version of the YouTube flash app on my smart TV when I wasn't looking. Its worse in my opinion, and I had no control over it. I have control of when I upgrade a med

None of the old DUNE players that had FULL BD got any cinavia update. The sigma chipsets did not even support it for the players with FULL BD menu support. Only the newest 3d models would have been effected.

And there is no reason to make it auto update firmware just popup say new firmware would you like to flash yes or no and do it straight from the UI. Would be no different and not difference in licensing enforcement. I am more thinking along the lines the 1186 was never made to be flash in an online state maybe it does not have bootlaoder that can do the work. All 1186 players have always flashed the same by USB and holding down a button while the unit turns on. 

[ghandar]

Do not agree! Look at board here and see how many people asking how to update, especially when they are beginners. The Mede8er is the only device I can remember where you have to deal with USB Sticks   Hey, we're in 2014!

Look at Dune media players, even my old HD-TV101 can upgrade directly via internet, and you have also a checkbox to show/enable beta Firmware updates. THIS is best way. So question is are there any plans for mede8er to adopt this feature?

Agreed. It is honestly pretty silly that we have to deal with the USB stick thing for updates. My tv, blui-ray player, and WDTV Live all update itself just by clicking "check for updates". There's really no good reason why this player shouldn't be able to also - they just need to support it. Using the USB is a pain and makes it possible for people to screw things up by mistake. In-player updates would eliminate his issue by doing ti correctly every time.

I'm not saying it should be a forced update. It could just be an option to check for updates and then another option to apply new update.

Also - I like that we have the ability to download the updates for USB - it's nice because we can save the update files in case the mede8er servers ever go down years from now and we still want to use the player - with the USB files, we can still go back and forth with the updates if we kept them (like I do). But I think we should have the option of either downloading the USB files off the site, or letting the player update itself after we select a manual check. This way everybody is happy. This is how my tv does it - it will update itself if I ask it to check, but I can also download the USB firmware off the site if I choose to.

[melexis]

As I wrote: Dune's firmware update is imo well designed. They provide firmware for manual download / USB update as well as firmware selection dialogue for online update, including "downgrade" Option..

A menu like shown below I would prefer:
- Firmware Update
   - Offline (USB)
   - Online (WEB)
      [ x ] - Notify for new Firmware (default on)
      [ x ] - Ignore beta Firmware (default on)
      [ Search Button ] (which then lists all firmware, beta only shown if checkbox disabled, then just up/down and select+flash)

To prevent idiots from flashing unusable beta I would suggest to add a four digit PIN for each beta firmware, so the user first has to check this board for news/issues and to grab the PIN code.

Maybe would be better to move this thread to Feature request area...

[Flying_high]

It's amazing that the auto update function is in the firmware for a long, long time but still not working.
Now, i know that the firmware is part Realtek code and part Sanji code.
But hey, it's 2014, reconfigure the auto update and make it work guys. Not only that, it would be nice if it happens, like with all modern equipment, without losing your settings.