BluRay Player

[francoisZA]

Ok.. Thanks Francois and Mik3R for your efforts

I think that gives us a clearer answer now.. What may have been possible on X2 devices (based on Francois and Riaan's past success) is definitely not possible on X3D devices for retail discs but possible for decrypted copies.. Only way is to share BD from PC..

..Mik3R perhaps your black screen playback was due to incompatible codec with your non-commercial disc?

..I assume the PC is decrypting the data before streaming to the Mede8er?

..and if X2 devices were able to play them before there's no guarantee that won't change with newer firmware.. As well as the fact that the latest Blu-ray Discs now come in 3D which X2 devices wouldn't be able to handle but most discs apparently are backwards compatible.

..with the media industries blocking these features in rip players it just encourages people more to download bd rips instead of buying or hiring the discs. Let's face it rips will always be around. This in turn will put more pressure on internet bandwidth and decrease the profitability of bd production thus keeping their prices high and impractical for many people leading to the inevitable collapse of the bd industry. So really it's in their best interests to let rip players decrypt!

...Of course the powers that be will never read this post so I'm just ranting now

...guys do Commercial DVD's have the same problem or is it just bluray?

Same with DVD


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[jer1956]

..with the media industries blocking these features in rip players it just encourages people more to download bd rips instead of buying or hiring the discs. Let's face it rips will always be around. This in turn will put more pressure on internet bandwidth and decrease the profitability of bd production thus keeping their prices high and impractical for many people leading to the inevitable collapse of the bd industry. So really it's in their best interests to let rip players decrypt!

You  will  see few have been bothered by lack of support for retail playback. That's becuase a rip player plays rips..and if you have the disk you can  rip it.   Do  you really believe people download torrents just because they  can't play  retail  disk?  Most torrent rips are not as good as the origonal so they  are poor substitute for even playing a clone rip, never mind the origonal disk.  The idea of paying  nothing for a movie has nothing to  do  with it?


The view of the media companies is make running the real  thing on a real player a much better experience. Those who  don't care about all  the froth on a disk and just want the movie will just rip/re-package.  The media companies hope that  those who must play  the full disk, including menu's and branching, will just give up and go legit.

[Joolay]

You're right Jer1956..

I was just ranting.. Though part of it is applicable to me.. I started following this thread because I personally wouldn't mind renting out instead of downloading a bluray now and then if I had a player.. Downloading, besides its legality, can be slow, a hit and miss ocasionally, or sometimes hard to find the right movie..

  ..But can't see myself buying a dedicated standalone player for the occasional movie.. However, a portable bd writer I could use with my laptop for perhaps video authoring etc..

..Sure I could still get that and share the drive over the network.. But it would be annoying to have to play through the laptop like that.. That's why this would have been awesome!

I guess it's just not possible and nothing anyone can do about it..

..still no explanation as to why Riaan's and Francois' X2 devices could do it though? Can all X2 devices on all firmwares decrypt or did they get lucky and how?

[jer1956]

The code that can  developed is licenced by bd.org, who say  what can or cannot be in it, and what  you would to  do  to  get a licence.  As new copy protection technoliges develop that licnece changes, and so must the code to  comply.   The x2 users an old SDK with all kinds of old licneces, even one for divx.   The x3d has to use the latest SDK as Sanji keep  asking for SDK improvements.  So it looks like the non optical drive code allowed in the x2 has more features than  that  allowed now in the x3d.  Neither have the full blown BD player code as you need an optical drive for that.

[Joolay]

Beautifully explained.  I didn't start this thread but I think there's nothing left to discuss here.. At least on my side.. Thanks

[Mik3R]

I started this thread because I feel exactly like you, Joolay. I recently got a 3D TV and wanted a BD Writer/Player so I can get some 3D kids movies to watch on the TV because everyone says it's a lot better from the disc than a SBS or T&B 3D movie...

Jer ended up explaining everything and I got it. But I didnt know that the X2 could read BD and DVD from an optical drive... Means I wasnt so wrong afteral LOL

About the Black screens I get, I get those when playing RETAIL DVD's AND RETAIL BD's, not rips. Rips Mede8er reads well from the Optical Drive - DVD Structure, VIDEO_TS, VOBS and all that. Never tried BD rips with BD structure cause I dont have one to test.

Thanks all for you contribution.

[bazzio]

Yep the black screen is because of retail (copyrighted) discs.
I have a normal blu-ray player but lately i do play my dvd's/blu-ray's from my computer's shared bd-drive. On the X3D i need Anydvd to play the retail discs without getting the black screen.