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Title: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Mede8er1 on December 03, 2012, 06:38:05 pm
MakeMKV is PC or MAC software that will extract  2D or 3D BD to MKV format without any Video or Audio loss of quality.

Benefits of MakeMKV in relation to 3D BDISO files on Mede8er X3D player

* Zero loss in Quality Full 1920 x 1080 image - Full HD Audio
* 3D MVC in MKV container is easier to stream on a network and you should be able to stream most if not all 3D files on Samba from a good NAS on a Gbit Network
* File size of the MKV will be smaller than the ISO as you only keep the Playlist, Subs and Audio tracks that you need.
* Subtitles are supported and you can add your own SRT if required.
* If selected the Forced BD Subtitles with appear in the Subtitle list.  
* Chapter functionality is fully retained.
* As the MVC is one file within the MKV it solves the problem of branched BDs Most players cannot deal that well with M2TS / HD Audio files that are split -- you can get audio and picture freeze when jumping from one branch to another.
* Automatically open in 3D with Mede8er Firmware V1.0.4 and later. Add 'TB' or '3DTAB' to file name  
Example 'file.name.TB.mkv' or 'file.name.3DTAB.mkv'
* It has been reported that these files can be streamed via UPNP but we have not checked this as yet.

(http://www.hdfever.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/MakeMKV-2.jpg)

Download MakeMKV   http://makemkv.com/ (http://makemkv.com/)
Simple Guide http://www.mede8er.org/artwork/temp/makeMKV_guide_v1.jpg (http://www.mede8er.org/artwork/temp/makeMKV_guide_v1.jpg)
MakeMKV Tutorial  http://www.makemkv.com/onlinehelp/ (http://www.makemkv.com/onlinehelp/)
Tutorial by Nicolas Bcuwe http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/09/02/tutoriel-riper-un-blu-ray-3d-en-mkv-avcmvc-full-hd-3d-avec-makemkv/ (http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/09/02/tutoriel-riper-un-blu-ray-3d-en-mkv-avcmvc-full-hd-3d-avec-makemkv/)

Mede8er has no interest or connection to MakeMKV software but we feel this may well be a elegant solution for many of our users.

Mede8er1



Subtitle Issues

Two issues have been identified with MKV subtitles.
1) The 3d plane used is screen depth...not the plane set in the subtitles. That is normally plane 0, i.e. "front".
2) Subtitles can disappear on pause, or alternate subtitles vanish.

Tsmuxer has now caught up with MakeMKV. V2  handles 3D, and will also remove branching, but in BD form. It is also lossless repackaging. The x3d BD player processes subtitles correctly.

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/tsMuxeR

Any problems should be posted here:-
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=b78c7e2e394dfc954fcac131da93253b&t=168539


Those who have not yet started to use MakeMKV and need subtitles should seriously consider this  route instead.
Title: Re: Makemkv - extract 3DBDISO to MVC MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: couto on December 07, 2012, 08:42:42 am
Here my contribution a step by step to Rip Bluray with MakeMKV

enjoy

Go to http://makemkv.com (http://makemkv.com) and downlaod the lastest version




1- preferences
2- volume/hard drive
3- apply

(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3570/2xmn.png) (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/2xmn.png/)


4-audio and video language
5-apply

(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6216/haje.png) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/haje.png/)

6-general
7-apply

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/449/4g6d.png) (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/4g6d.png/)

8- Insert the disk in blu-ray reader

(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/4222/rjjw.png) (http://img547.imageshack.us/i/rjjw.png/)


9- makeMKV analise the disk all that matters is the movie file
10- 99% of the time the biggest file is the movie, sometimes theres 2 versions of movie, just pick one to extract

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3953/0ghq.png) (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/0ghq.png/)

11- tick the box MVC-3D to extract 3D Movie (for 2D leave MVC blank )
12- tick the box for hd audio, dts or dolby digital
13- subtitles, tick the box forced subtitles if you are English native and like to watch without subtitles, during foreing passages in movie your mede8er can read them (with subtitles ON)
14- where our movie goes
15- RIP movie

(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8043/sz7m.png) (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/sz7m.png/)


16- after 20 minutes or so the movie is extract, put the correct naming and add  3DSBS or 3DTB if the movie is 3D


(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8650/ffuf.png) (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/ffuf.png/)

YOUR MOVIES ARE READY TO WATCH IN X3D PLAYER WITHOUT BUGS OR ISSUES

17- you can download media info to analyse your movies

(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8659/pnij.png) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/pnij.png/)

VIDEO

18- you can watch the bit rate is 41.8mbps if you compare with some torretz movie they  will have low quality video about  2000kbps  ;D
19- O multicount view - 2 means its the left and right 3D version of the 3D movie

(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/6523/gt16.png) (http://img811.imageshack.us/i/gt16.png/)

AUDIO

20- on the top check the audio it says  MA / core, that means DTS-MA  in  lossless format
21-  DTS version is lossy

(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5390/nzbb.png) (http://img593.imageshack.us/i/nzbb.png/)
Title: Re: Makemkv - convert 3DBDISO to MVC MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Maasbommel on December 07, 2012, 08:57:13 am
The subtitle name needs to be exactly the same as the moviename.

So if you add SBS or 3D to the moviename, you do that the same to the .srt:

3D SBS and TB in File Name - Name file xxxxxxxx.SBS.mkv or xxxxx.TB.mkv - X3D will auto open as 3D

Means for .srt subs:
xxxxxxxx.SBS.srt or xxxxx.TB.srt
Title: Re: Makemkv - convert 3DBDISO to MVC MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on December 07, 2012, 10:55:52 am
If you need to share 3d media via a NAS with a popcorn..then you can now use the popcorn 3d naming format instead with 1.0.4.

Of course it also makes it easier to  ditch your 3D popcorn and get an X3D instead!  ;)
Title: Re: Makemkv - extract 3DBDISO to MVC MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: couto on December 07, 2012, 11:25:40 am
If you need to share 3d media via a NAS with a popcorn..then you can now use the popcorn 3d naming format instead with 1.0.4.

Of course it also makes it easier to  ditch your 3D popcorn and get an X3D instead!  ;)


both formats work for popcorn and x3 nice ....well for x3  its  working, latest report is that not  working well for popcorn A400  ;D

and what about to change the title name of this topic from convert  to extract   because  what I've  read  in makemkv forums  it will extract  the file,  continues to be  lossless.




 
Title: Re: Makemkv - extract 3DBDISO to MVC MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on December 07, 2012, 12:20:20 pm
both formats work for popcorn and x3 nice ....well for x3  its  working, latest report is that not  working well for popcorn 

No, only the X3d supports both formats.  I doubt popcorn are going to support the X3d format..they have bigger problems to solve  at the moment. 
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Mede8er1 on December 07, 2012, 12:26:09 pm
Quote
and what about to change the title name of this topic from convert to extract   because  what I've  read  in makemkv forums  it will extract  the file,  continues to be  lossless.

Good point and we have taken your advice

Mede8er1
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: couto on December 07, 2012, 02:06:48 pm
just to let you no i tested a few movies 3D  extract with makemkv, and its works has advertise.

example:  how to train your dragon 3D.sbs.mvk ( firmware  v.1.0.3 - 13 november /med600x3d )
 
im using internet by satellite, and i can't get  the latest firmware yet to test. :'(

regards
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: spaceghost2000 on December 07, 2012, 06:46:01 pm
I cannot express how exciting this news is!  I bought the 1000X3D specifically to play back 3D files (only). I tried makemkv as well as other mkv tools and could only get 2d to play back on the X3D previously with the November firmwares without success and succumbed to the idea I'd have to burn hard drive space with iso's. 

I do have a question.  Even though my 3D is MVC (frame packed) I still need to either choose via menu top and bottom, or rename the file including a .TAB to invoke the 3D? Or is it just .TB. for top and bottom instead of .TAB.?  Today I would name my iso's as Clash of the Titans.iso. If I used makemkv I would need to save the filename as Clash of the Titans.TB.mkv? Or does it need to include the "3D" as in Clash of the Titans.3D.TB.mkv?  I'm so excited I'm trying to think of ways to get off work early to go try the new firmware!
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on December 07, 2012, 06:57:29 pm
The 1.0.4 download page states the two naming formats.  If it's not clear please tell us what  we can do to make it clearer.

The two top on bottom naming formats should trigger MVC processing.

The selection of MVC in MakeMKV is not the default. You have to expand the streams as shown above..and select MVC.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: spaceghost2000 on December 07, 2012, 07:50:03 pm
Thanks. What confused me is the multiple naming schemes used in this comment:

2. Added additional naming support for auto 3D play for 3D Top and Bottom / Side by Side 
    3D SBS and TB in File Name - Name file xxxxxxxx.SBS.mkv or xxxxx.TB.mkv - X3D will auto open as 3D
    Added  'file.name.3DTAB.mkv'  'file.name.3DSBS.mkv'

Mentions using  xxxxx.TB.mkv and also using 'file.name.3DTAB.mkv' so I wasn't sure which one was correct (TB or TAB) and whether "3D" needed to be included..
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on December 07, 2012, 08:00:35 pm
There are now two supported naming standards..X3d..and popcorn. You can chose either, or both..but not for the same file.


OK..someone go and use  both and prove me wrong! 8)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Mede8er1 on January 03, 2013, 06:35:41 pm
New Release MakeMKV

MakeMKV v1.7.10 ( 2.1.2013 )

* Improved handling for DVD discs with mastering errors
* Many miscellaneous improvements

http://www.makemkv.com/download/ (http://www.makemkv.com/download/)

NOTE THIS IS A PAID VERSION
You can find a key that will allow you to use the program till end Jan 2013
http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1053 (http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1053)

Mede8er1
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: toddy28 on January 05, 2013, 11:30:21 am
This works brilliantly

Select your  3d iso in make mkv

Select the 3d mcv file and the audio track you want

Job done

Takes about 30 mins on my old desktop for a 50gb iso

Dredd 3d for example , it stripped out the 2d version of the film , menus and extras and brought the file down to 30gb
Lossless no change in quality and sound

It's the way forward  ;D
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: emporer on January 05, 2013, 01:10:59 pm
New Release MakeMKV

MakeMKV v1.7.10 ( 2.1.2013 )

* Improved handling for DVD discs with mastering errors
* Many miscellaneous improvements

http://www.makemkv.com/download/ (http://www.makemkv.com/download/)

NOTE THIS IS A PAID VERSION
You can find a key that will allow you to use the program till end Jan 2013
http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1053 (http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1053)

Mede8er1




I entered this key on the latest version, funny thing is it said it was active until early March yet after putting this in it now says Feb, although underneath this it says expires - Never, so does this mean this version will now not expire?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: toddy28 on January 05, 2013, 05:38:38 pm
hello mate , thanks for the heads up on the 3d mkv , im a pro now lol

I just download the new version of make mkv and put in the same serial number and it does say never
so fingers crossed  ;D

Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: DirkGently68 on January 05, 2013, 05:48:42 pm
I use MakeMKV too and my understanding is that the program never expires for ripping DVD.  The paid element which does expire is for ripping Blu-Ray.

However the program is still currently a beta version and as long as it is in beta a free key is available on the MakeMKV forum so no payment will be required until it is no longer beta software, whether this will ever happen is anybodys guess, it has been in beta for a pretty long time.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: 0xJay on January 15, 2013, 07:35:22 pm
This can be scripted as well using the makemkvcon binary included in the installation:

Use: makemkvcon [switches] Command [Parameters]

Commands:
  info <source>
      prints info about disc
  mkv <source> <title id> <destination folder>
      saves a single title to mkv file
  stream <source>
      starts streaming server
  backup <source> <destination folder>
      backs up disc to a hard drive

Source specification:
  iso:<FileName>    - open iso image <FileName>
  file:<FolderName> - open files in folder <FolderName>
  disc:<DiscId>     - open disc with id <DiscId> (see list Command)
  dev:<DeviceName>  - open disc with OS device name <DeviceName>

Switches:
  -r --robot        - turn on "robot" mode, see http://www.makemkv.com/developers
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: lubbea@mweb.co.za on January 18, 2013, 07:23:00 am
I have been able to convert all my music Blu Ray DVD's to mkv successfully with makemkv"" except for Celine Dion''s new day""where the video is scrambled. Can you please assist
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 18, 2013, 09:47:39 am
I have been able to convert all my music Blu Ray DVD's to mkv successfully with makemkv"" except for Celine Dion''s new day""where the video is scrambled. Can you please assist

Are you ripping direct from BD ISO?  Makemkv may not keep their decryption  as up to date as, say ANY DVD HD.  So  you may need to rip  to iso  first using something else, and then convert that  to MKV.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: lubbea@mweb.co.za on January 18, 2013, 11:32:30 am
Thanks,
I'll give it a try
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: kikkoman on January 25, 2013, 03:39:36 pm
I have a question.  When I use MakeMKV and rip the a 3D movie to mkv format, I know people mention it keeps the full hd video and audio intact,  I always select the top node of the audio which is the DTS or TrueHD lossless option. 

When I playback a movie on the 600X, when I check the info, it will say like 'DTS 5.1 xxx', whereas if a ripped the movie to an iso, it would read like 'DTSMA 5.1 xxx'.  I would think if the mkv format kept the audio the same, it would should up as 'DTSMA 5.1 xxx' as well?  Unless I am missing something here.  I don't remember what the bits per second value is, but those are the same values.

My friend let me borrow Dredd 3D and I ripped to mkv and when I played it back, it was 'DTS 5.1 xxx'.  When I played the 3D movie back on the PS3, the audio setting is set to 'DTS MA 7.1'. 

So my question is, is there an option or something on the 600X device that I am missing or does mkv just not truly rip the full audio, or does the 600X just label it incorrectly?  I have the stock firmware from when I bought the device back in December.  Don't recall what it is.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 25, 2013, 03:42:51 pm
The display  shouldn't really matter. It's what your HDMI amp detects that matters. It will  tell if it's MA or just core.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Mede8er1 on January 25, 2013, 03:48:12 pm
kikkoman

Its a display bug in the SDK when using 'Info' and we have asked our engineers to try to fix it in V2. 

Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: kikkoman on January 25, 2013, 04:19:27 pm
^ ^ ^
Thanks!  That is what I figured.  I did not check what the AVR was seeing as I have the speaker setting to Dolby Pro Logic IIz for 7.1, and so I wasn't sure if the audio was DTS that it would not label that on the AVR.  Silly me. 

Also, I use XBMC downstairs and that AVR shows the audio as DTSMA correctly with mkv's, so that is why I figured it must be a label issue on the 600X.

Anyhow, thanks and good to know! 
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: odicamillo on January 26, 2013, 09:47:59 pm
MVC 3D format is great.
However, no player, TV, or special device is nowadays able to play it BUT the Mede8er.
What if you want to go back to a 3D ISO (obviously without the stuff that you didn't extract in the MVC)?
In fact, it is wonderful to download a 3D ISO and then to extract and store just what you like without quality loss but then, if you don't keep also the original ISO, how can you go back to a format that is universally recognized in case you need it?
Any suggestion is welcome. Thanks.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: toddy28 on January 27, 2013, 01:35:48 pm
good point , its a gamble you take I guess , I have jumped in the deep end and converted all my iso files and deleted them

there are software player for the pc that's supports 3d mvc mkv so that is always an option

I believe this will become a popular format   
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 27, 2013, 01:39:15 pm
This option was not created in MakeMKV just for the X3D.

You would expect any player which  can play 3d MVC iso  should play 3d mvc mkv.  There is no universal  format if you mean play 3D mvc in any form on older 2d players.

As some point you will get additions to other tools, to  say remux mvc mkv back into iso..but with no menu.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: odicamillo on January 28, 2013, 12:01:11 am
I hope 3D MVC mkv will become a popular format but it is by far not the case for the moment.
The closest (and only as far as I know) mediaplayer that is currently trying to implement it is the PCH A400 but with low priority (that might mean in PCH terms months or years).
Personally, I am not interested in playing a 3D movie on a PC screen.
At the moment, if you keep the ISO you can easily generate a SBS (the half is playable on all the 2D devices and directly on the TVs), or a TAB, or a MVC mkv, or even you can burn a (rewritable) blue ray disk.
If you have just a MVC mkv (and you don't own a Mede8er or yours is broken  :'() there is no way (as far as I know) to play the 3D movie (on a TV set)!
The end result is that you have to keep both the ISO and the MVC mkv, that is not exactly the most efficient way to manage your disk space.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 28, 2013, 10:33:50 am
The end result is that you have to keep both the ISO and the MVC mkv, that is not exactly the most efficient way to manage your disk space.


If they are "your" disks then you have the source of the iso on the disk.  If they are not iso's from your disks, then  this is why I believe sony are requiring that Full Bd Menu only works with cineavia encodes..i.e optical disks.  Mediaplyers can only use the camcorder BD lite stack..which makes keeping menu totally pointless as the support just isn't there.    All those moving from older 2d players to  the latest 3d players are going to  find it's the same with any 3d media player. There is no point saying you old 2d dune or 2d popcorn could use full menu's, as their latest 3d players are in the same boat. In fact if you check their forums this  restriction was added to their 2d players also, and many are using older firmware pre-dating it, demanding that this "bug" be fixed.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: mattmarsden on February 16, 2013, 02:28:49 pm
Ive had a couple of problems with MakeMKV - with Amazing Spiderman it introduces macroblocking on the right eye in the Subway scene and with A Christmas Carol it plays very jerkily. The original ISOs play fine.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: mrnintendo on February 17, 2013, 09:45:31 am
Ive had a couple of problems with MakeMKV - with Amazing Spiderman it introduces macroblocking on the right eye in the Subway scene and with A Christmas Carol it plays very jerkily. The original ISOs play fine.
MakeMKV is still beta at the moment.
The macro blocking on the right eye, I also have Transformers in 2 Szenen.Ich suggest Transformers again re-created with MakeMKV and then did not have the macro blocking on the eye.
In I Am Legend, I was ordered to re-create even 3 times because each time in 5 scenes stopped the picture for 1 sec. Otherwise, the program runs but quite well.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Pash43uk on March 19, 2013, 11:49:02 am
Help - tried this on a few 3D iso`s and no matter which video stream i pick i only seem to get a 2D file ?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on March 19, 2013, 12:27:39 pm
Help - tried this on a few 3D iso`s and no matter which video stream i pick i only seem to get a 2D file ?

You have to expand the video stream and chose the MVC stream.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Pash43uk on March 19, 2013, 12:34:26 pm
Thanks for the reply , yeh ive done that but still only plays in 2D :(
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on March 19, 2013, 01:04:30 pm
Only ISO will trigger automatic 3d. You have to use name or menu to force 3d with the rest.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Pash43uk on March 20, 2013, 12:33:27 pm
Sorted thanks , not sure why but it only seems to work if i mount the image with daemon tools first , then as you say rename to get it to auto select 3D.. Cheers :)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Skyliner on March 24, 2013, 02:45:24 pm
Do you recommend MakeMKV also for 2D BD-Isos?
I have noticted small dropouts only in the Men in Black 3D-Iso so far.
Ok, the size aspect may always be an argument... ;)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Budge on March 25, 2013, 06:52:35 pm
I noticed something today.  I just made my first 2 3D BD mkv's yesterday.  The first one, The Lorax, was ripped using AnyDVD-HD and then put through MakeMKV.  The second one, Tangled, I let MakeMKV process the whole thing.  When I went back to play the files today, I noticed that Tangled is showing a split second of "blockiness" in the picture during every scene transition, but The Lorax plays just fine.

I don't know if this means that AnyDVD-HD is doing a better job of ripping 3D-BDs than MakeMKV, or not.  Both films are 24fps, so I don't think this is a frame rate issue.  Has anyone else noticed this?

I'm using firmware version 1.05 on a MED1000X3D.  NSF share with tcp/udp set to Auto and 32k.  1080P 24fps is ON, and Auto Frame Rate is Off.

UPDATE:  This issue is probably not MakeMKV's fault.  I tried playing Tangled 3D as an ISO (without using MakeMKV of course), and the problem was still there.  So it seems the problem must lie with my MED1000X3D or with my network.  Also, it seems the split-second blockiness during scene transitions is only visible in the right eye.  This may be the same was what mattmarsden was reporting earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: syfer on April 15, 2013, 08:28:55 pm
Hi their why not take a look at this
http://www.vso-software.fr/products/bluray-converter/bluray-converter.php (http://www.vso-software.fr/products/bluray-converter/bluray-converter.php)
and
http://www.xilisoft.com/blu-ray-ripper.html (http://www.xilisoft.com/blu-ray-ripper.html)
what do you think?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Budge on April 16, 2013, 09:12:37 pm
How do I get Makemkv to burn the forced English subtitles onto the video so I don't have to turn subtitles on every time?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: RobinC on April 16, 2013, 09:31:07 pm
You can't. That involves re encoding which makemkv doesnt do. If you are set on that route you could use process the mkv using handbrake
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on April 17, 2013, 12:39:32 pm
How do I get Makemkv to burn the forced English subtitles onto the video so I don't have to turn subtitles on every time?

You don't have to. The first subtitle will always appear if you have subtitle on in setup.  So  you rip making sure the first subtile is the one you want to see always.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: DarkCinema on May 09, 2013, 09:07:27 pm
It seems that when playing a MVC MKV3D with original subs embedded  the subs are not shown correctly?
They appear to be in the "middle" instead of in the front. This is not the case when playing the ISO.
This is a pain to watch when  you have to focus your eyes on the subs and back on the movie..

Is there a way to fix this?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: hdmkv on June 14, 2013, 05:16:21 pm
Re: the filename to trigger MVC MKV 3D, does "3DTAB" need to be at the tail end of the filename? Or can I have something like this?

Avatar.3DTAB (2009).mkv

Also, what about?

Avatar (3DTAB) (2009).mkv
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: mariusm69 on June 14, 2013, 11:45:00 pm
Just tried to convert Hobbit 3D. Renamed so that the file contains .3DTAB. The file starts up my VPL-HW50 projector in 3D displaying a Top Bottom disorted image and when I access the menu in my MED1000X3D I notice that it has pre-selected to play 3D Top Bottom which is not right. This file is converted to MKV by the latest version of MakeMKV(1.8.3).

The MED1000X3D has the latest 30.may.2013 firmware and the choices I get when the file is playing is:
2D
3D Simulation
3D Side By Side
3D Top Bottom

Neither displays correctly of course as this is a proper 3D source, not SBS or TB. What's wrong here?
The ISO plays perfectly (not neccessary to adjust anything)
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Maasbommel on June 15, 2013, 07:49:28 am
Just tried to convert Hobbit 3D. Renamed so that the file contains .3DTAB. The file starts up my VPL-HW50 projector in 3D displaying a Top Bottom disorted image and when I access the menu in my MED1000X3D I notice that it has pre-selected to play 3D Top Bottom which is not right. This file is converted to MKV by the latest version of MakeMKV(1.8.3).

The MED1000X3D has the latest 30.may.2013 firmware and the choices I get when the file is playing is:
2D
3D Simulation
3D Side By Side
3D Top Bottom

Neither displays correctly of course as this is a proper 3D source, not SBS or TB. What's wrong here?
The ISO plays perfectly (not neccessary to adjust anything)
Thanks in advance!

That is the result of adding .3DTAB. in the filename - you only need that when you want to auto force Top to Bottom. Remove it in the name.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: mariusm69 on June 15, 2013, 09:56:46 am
That is the result of adding .3DTAB. in the filename - you only need that when you want to auto force Top to Bottom. Remove it in the name.

I did that already resulting in a 2D playback as default, giving me the option to change to 3D sim, SBS & TB options that I can't use for anything meaningful.
Tried another file as well with identical results. ISO works as it should.

If the MED1000X3D should detect the contents of the file as 3D (like it does with the ISO) and not by any "hint" in the filename then I suspect that there's something with the file itself that dosen't make sence. Is there anything besides default options that I should tweak in MakeMKV?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on June 15, 2013, 10:51:30 am
The code overrides the name once it detects MVC..but it has to  be told to  check for 3d using the name tag (or menu).  If it doesn't detect MVC..which sounds like your  issue..then it will use what is in the name tag.


Try the alternative .TB. name trigger.  Did you turn BD menu back on?  The defaults have been set up  to avoid all  the problems of the BD lite stack which  can't support menu's at rhe same time as 24hz or 3d.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: mariusm69 on June 15, 2013, 11:45:20 am
Adding the Mpeg4-MVC-3D option when creating with MakeMKV and adding .3DTAB. in the filename did the trick. Just tested a few and it looks promising... Got proper HD-sound as well by adding the HD-lossless option :)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: spanero on June 18, 2013, 10:10:02 am
Hi i can a question, i ripp 3D bluray with Makemkv, and the result is mkv (MVC stereo), all ok, but the problem is with the subtitle not is in 3D, the subtitle appear in 2D, I wonder if anyone knows how to put the subtitles in 3D?.
In the ISO 3D, the subtitle appear in 3D.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: ghidorah on June 20, 2013, 09:01:58 pm
Hi...just got the x3D so please be patient with me!
 I ripped a 3d blu ray iso using Anydvd HD, copied it onto my extrenal drive and ran that, via the x3D, into my 3d projector. Couldn't get any 3d image on the projector. it didn't detect an incoming 3d signal. tried the various 3d settings on the x3d but nothing. Any help as to what i'm doing wrong? i thought simply playing an iso image would work. Do i have to do the convert to MKV thing? Thanks folks!
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: giddy on July 28, 2013, 04:46:21 am
The Hobbit is on two discs so when I ripped it I have two files. I tried mkvmerge but can't seem to combine these 3d mkvs what have other people been doing?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on July 28, 2013, 11:41:47 am
The Hobbit is on two discs so when I ripped it I have two files. I tried mkvmerge but can't seem to combine these 3d mkvs what have other people been doing?

Segmenting is diferent problem. There "one" movie has muitple segments and this create a single one just for that one movie.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: spaceghost2000 on August 14, 2013, 07:13:49 pm
with titles that have more than 1 disc/file, I've been naming them with CD1 and CD2 or something to that effect and placing them into the same movie folder.  1000X seems to automatically play the 2nd file after the first is done playing. it's not seamless, there's a few seconds pause while the 2nd file starts playing, but at least I don't have to touch the remote.

The Hobbit has given me fits with the 2nd disc. Not to get into the weeds and derail the subject, but I've had to re-makemkv it several times with different versions of makemkv. The latest has given me a file that actually plays fine. before the 2nd file would give me a black screen (no video), or not be in 3d, or be in 3d but one eye is at the top of the screen and one eye at the bottom,etc.  Trying different setting on the 1000X didn't help. playing in 2d worked fine.  Only until this last attempt did makemkv produce a file that works properly..
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: miracle on August 24, 2013, 01:41:24 pm
I'm using the 600X3D on the latest firmware. When playing BLURAY 3D ISO files the player switches to 3D mode without any problems, but my separate srt-subtitles are in 2D. Up to now I did not find a way to let the player convert it to 3D like it does when playing SBS or TB MKV files (and using the right  name convention). Is there a solution or should I convert the srt file myself (with 3Dsubtitler)?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: miracle on August 25, 2013, 02:47:22 pm
Solved the issue by upgrading to V3 firmware and changing the depth to <1> !!
Even changing back the depth to <8> keeps the subtitles in 3rd dimension.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: dfran1 on September 01, 2013, 12:57:31 am
Hi,
 I am sorry if this has been answered but I can't find any reference to it.

I have 2 problems, I have the 600x3d

1. is there some setting in the menu or do I have to do something first so the xxxxxxx.3DSBS.mkv  will auto play 3D in SBS?

2. I have the subs in the same folder as the .mkv also labeled exactly the same except for the extension and I can't get the subs to show up?

  so say a movie folder then inside movie.3DSBS.mkv and movie.3DSBS.sub (or whatever the extension is called)

PLEASE help. as I am very new to this box, so details please.
Thank you to all!!
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: dfran1 on September 01, 2013, 11:54:20 pm
Hi all,

I created a thread here http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,12111.0.html (http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,12111.0.html) on my poblem.

Turns out I can not use UPnP that I was using causing my problem.

I just wanted to post this in case someone read this and was wondering what was the cure.

Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: couto on October 17, 2013, 09:21:52 pm
 See a hole in there  ;D and put  MakeMKV tutorial  to first page of this topic

ps:  moderator can add to fix topic

enjoy

Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: dxer on October 26, 2013, 02:00:16 pm
Hi to all

I have problems with True HD/DTS-HD/DTSMA audio on my med1000x3d using latest firmware. As amplifier I use LG HX966TZ Home cinema which supports all this stated above. I am talking about Blu-ray movies.
However, whenever on movie I select DTSMA 6ch , my 'amp' is showing PCM 2.0 which is not 5.1 .

So as a result of this problem I was advised to use Make MKV and so I did. I processed two films and unfortunatelly with false results.

After I processed Avatar Blu-ray into MKV with this software MakeMKV , Mede8er under audios showed two same audios:
English DTS 6ch
English DTS 6ch
but it was obvious that one is showing only stereo for me and the other one is 5.1 but I don't know if this is DTSMA as it is only showing DTS 6ch. And I know that when selecting MakeMKV I did select DTS-HD Lossless English and DTS3/2.1 English.

Then I did similar with one another movie (Jurrasic Park 1) and again after processing Mede8er is NOT showing DTSMA anymore. It is showing:
English DTS 8ch (which on my audio receiver result as PCM 2.0)
English DTS 6ch (resulting as DTS 3/2.1)

So from my results using this software is either having problem with DTSMA or Mede8er is not capable of reading this after processing with this software.

Any idea what is wrong here ?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: vikc on December 16, 2013, 06:26:38 am
I have tried all sorts of renaming .. but still the player does not automatically switch to 3D mode.
But when I turn on 3D simulation, I do get identical 3D playback,  just like the source iso.

Is there anything more that I can try ? Or should I just be happy turning on 3D Simulation for every movie that I have ripped to 3d.mvc?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: crowfax on December 16, 2013, 08:55:12 pm
Hello!

I'm getting a MED600X3D for Christmas as I had heard they had good support for 3d files from MakeMKV from their forums. However I'm somewhat confused as to what naming system I should implement for my files.  How do I know which code to put at the end to turn on 3d automatically? TB? SBS? Does it make a difference?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Gnoll3 on December 17, 2013, 06:22:00 pm
I have also tried all sorts of renaming .. but still the player does not automatically switch to 3D mode.
I've been using makemkv for a while so I know I've followed the correct procedure, media info also tells me its correct.
I'm trying to play it on my Projector EpsonTW9100, no matter what setting on the projector I use (SBS/TB) it doesn't display correctly. If I use the mede8er menu to switch to 3D, a get a green screen and the box freezes, I have to unplug it from the mains and restart?
Is there anything more that I can try ???
I'm up to date with firmware too.

Great improvement on my WDLive, would be the icing on the cake to get 3D working
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: vikc on December 18, 2013, 05:09:32 am
I have also tried all sorts of renaming .. but still the player does not automatically switch to 3D mode.

If I use the mede8er menu to switch to 3D, a get a green screen and the box freezes, I have to unplug it from the mains and restart?

Is there anything more that I can try ???
I'm up to date with firmware too.

Great improvement on my WDLive, would be the icing on the cake to get 3D working

Why don't you try to reinstall the latest firmware again. It might be helpful.

When I choose 3D Simulation, I get no such issues. So maybe a firmware reinstall is needed.

There is something seriously wrong with the 3d MVC thing. Some people can play it...while others can't. It is the same player...same chipset...and we all use the same software to rip it too.
Lets hope this issue too gets sorted out with time.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on December 20, 2013, 12:07:08 pm
Subtitle Issues

Two issues have been identified with MKV subtitles.
1) The 3d plane used is screen depth...not the plane set in the subtitles. That is normally plane 0, i.e. "front".
2) Subtitles can disappear on pause, or alternate subtitles vanish.

Tsmuxer has now caught up with MakeMKV. V2 handles 3D, and will also remove branching, but in BD form. It is also lossless repackaging. The x3d BD player processes subtitles correctly.

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/tsMuxeR

Any problems should be posted here:-
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=b78c7e2e394dfc954fcac131da93253b&t=168539


Those who have not yet started to use MakeMKV and need subtitles should seriously consider this  route instead.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: slickric21 on January 05, 2014, 03:35:40 pm
Does anybody know what im doing wrong here.

I am trying to use tsMuxer GI 2.6.11 to convert my 3DBDISO  to get rid of the seamless branching problem.

I am using BDinfo to find the correct playlist for the main movie, loading this in tsMuxer, selecting what i want to keep Eg Main Movie and DTS-HD audio, chosing .Blu ray iso as the output.

However every disk i've tried tsMuxer just creates an iso that is about 2gb i size and takes like 5 seconds to complete.

any ideas ???

I have found that if i use MakeMKv first to convert to MVC MKV, then load this in tsMuxer and make a Blu ray iso that it works fine everytime. But of course this is a long winded process !!!!

note: id rather keep my 3D films in .iso format
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: DarkCinema on January 05, 2014, 04:02:25 pm
Just tried a Full "Ripped" 3D Bluray ISO and it was working fine. No idea what the problem is.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 05, 2014, 04:07:27 pm
Does anybody know what im doing wrong here.

I am trying to use tsMuxer GI 2.6.11 to convert my 3DBDISO  to get rid of the seamless branching problem.

I am using BDinfo to find the correct playlist for the main movie, loading this in tsMuxer, selecting what i want to keep Eg Main Movie and DTS-HD audio, chosing .Blu ray iso as the output.

However every disk i've tried tsMuxer just creates an iso that is about 2gb i size and takes like 5 seconds to complete.

any ideas ???

I have found that if i use MakeMKv first to convert to MVC MKV, then load this in tsMuxer and make a Blu ray iso that it works fine everytime. But of course this is a long winded process !!!!

note: id rather keep my 3D films in .iso format

BDinfo may have found you the 2d version.  THe best thing to  do is check the SSIF folder and find the largest 3d file, then use that playlist number.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: slickric21 on January 05, 2014, 10:14:59 pm
Thanks for the info.

I'm pretty sure its finding the correct playlist and its not just a 2d version, as the small iso's it is creating (2-2.5gb) contain an SSIF file in BDMV\STREAM\SSIF folder and a couple of .m2ts files in \BDMV\STREAM.

Its just they all small.

As I said though ripping with makemkv first and then using tsMuxer results in a correctly sized 3D iso.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 06, 2014, 09:20:27 am
The ssif file should be around 35GB.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: slickric21 on January 06, 2014, 10:40:29 am
I've noticed that if i just add the main SSIF file straight to tsMuxer then it will output an iso of the correct size.
But then of course I loose chapter information etc etc

If I add the mpls file into tsMuxer for the same film, my output iso is only 2.05gb.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 06, 2014, 10:50:46 am
I just mounted a 3d bd iso and checked the folders. The largest ssif file was number 800....at 42 GB.   I ran TSmuxer  and wen to  the playlist folder, and opened playlist 800.

I am now looking at  it's screen..and it says I have a 2 hr 22min  MVC stream, a H.264 stream, a DTS-Hd strean, and AC-3 stream and 3 pgs streams.  So  that looks right to me.

I will  test if I get the same your way..picking the ssif itself.


It does.  So  your way is simpler.  I'm still on 2.6.4 (b). 
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: slickric21 on January 06, 2014, 11:32:06 am
I just mounted a 3d bd iso and checked the folders. The largest ssif file was number 800....at 42 GB.   I ran TSmuxer  and wen to  the playlist folder, and opened playlist 800.

I am now looking at  it's screen..and it says I have a 2 hr 22min  MVC stream, a H.264 stream, a DTS-Hd strean, and AC-3 stream and 3 pgs streams.  So  that looks right to me.

If i select the.mpls file tsMuxer always shows the correct information - length, video stream, audio stream etc etc, its just when trying to create a new iso it creates a very small one.

For example i have just scanned Man of Steel BD folder  with BDinfo.
It tells me that 00098.MPLS is the Main Movie.
I add this to tsMuxer 2.6.11 and it shows me all the correct information (2:23:02.614 length), MVC stream,H.264 stream, DTS-HD stream etc etc.
I tick what streams I want to keep (MVC,H.264,DTS-HD,PGS eng)
Select Blu-ray iso as output.
Click start muxing.....

And the output is a useless 2.05gb iso.

If I do the same, but add the 00098.SSIF initially, then the output is correct at 33.2gb.
However I have lost the chapter info (and i dont know what else) by doing this method.

Tried with same results on Avatar and Planes iso's.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 06, 2014, 11:52:34 am
I have chapters with the ones I made using the 2.6.4 beta. I will try the version now shown as the latest.  (Tested.That version works just as well)

When you select bluray.iso as the output format, what have you set for chapters on the main bluray tab, custom list, or No chapters?


There is no Custom List if you don't start form the pls.


With the one I'm testing...in the top left of TSmuxer it says 800 mpls is linked to  the large 800 SSIF.  Are you saying that isn't true with yours?  If you chose the mpls that has the number of the large SSIF, it acutally links to  something much  smaller?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: slickric21 on January 06, 2014, 01:34:04 pm
When I start from the .mpls the custom chapters are present yes.

Also the 00098.mpls is linked to the 00098.ssif file which appears below it.

Basically everything appears to be fine, but the .iso created is just too small.

Here is what i see after adding 00098.mpls (eg the main movie as indicated by Bdinfo)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/30/08md.png/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/30/08md.png/)
(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/eq5n.png/)

Everything is ok, just the iso output is very small.

The only problem im having with is the iso output is not working properly when using a .mpls as the source.
If the source is .ssif, or even an mkv (after making main movie backup with makemkv) then the iso out is fine.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 06, 2014, 02:05:48 pm
So you  untick  everything but the first 3 tracks?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: slickric21 on January 06, 2014, 04:49:02 pm
Yes i do. But that is irrelevant here tbh.

Thanks for trying to help, but i don't think I will get anywhere with this here.

I have registered on Doom9 so in 5 days i can ask in the tsMuxer thread.

My workaround at the moment is either
1) rip to MVC MKV first with makemkv, then create an iso with txMuxer.
or
2) load the main SSIF file and add chapters manually, then make the iso.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: slaytanic on January 16, 2014, 12:09:03 pm
I just have a liitle question...is it possible to "shrink" these 3D MKV files with Handrake and they still work as a 3D Version?  Just want to know, because these files are really big.....
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 16, 2014, 12:40:24 pm
SSIF recompression is not something I have heard of.    

Shrinking leads to loss of quality. You might as well rip  to Anamorphic SBS if you want to  shrink  them and lose quality.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: slaytanic on January 16, 2014, 02:29:07 pm
If i rip it to sbs i los resolution, and that's viewable.. if i shrink a bluray rip from 30Gb to 10Gb with the prog Handrake, there its not really a different view, even with my Projector with about 120'' beacuse the resolution stays the same and they have a amazing encoding machine..
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: B3NJY on January 23, 2014, 12:08:41 pm
Thanks. What confused me is the multiple naming schemes used in this comment:

2. Added additional naming support for auto 3D play for 3D Top and Bottom / Side by Side 
    3D SBS and TB in File Name - Name file xxxxxxxx.SBS.mkv or xxxxx.TB.mkv - X3D will auto open as 3D
    Added  'file.name.3DTAB.mkv'  'file.name.3DSBS.mkv'

Mentions using  xxxxx.TB.mkv and also using 'file.name.3DTAB.mkv' so I wasn't sure which one was correct (TB or TAB) and whether "3D" needed to be included..

Can someone clear this up please....if you convert a full 3d iso to mkv how do you rename it for auto play ?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Bytec on January 23, 2014, 12:10:14 pm
Can someone clear this up please....if you convert a full 3d iso to mkv how do you rename it for auto play ?

I use MakeMKV and put .3DTAB at the end of file name ( Super.duper.movie.3DTAB.mkv ).
That triggers proper 3D auto switching.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: B3NJY on January 23, 2014, 01:50:02 pm
I use MakeMKV and put .3DTAB at the end of file name ( Super.duper.movie.3DTAB.mkv ).
That triggers proper 3D auto switching.

Thank you kindly Bytec will try that thanks for helping.. :)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Bytec on March 27, 2014, 09:13:03 pm
I noticed something today.  I just made my first 2 3D BD mkv's yesterday.  The first one, The Lorax, was ripped using AnyDVD-HD and then put through MakeMKV.  The second one, Tangled, I let MakeMKV process the whole thing.  When I went back to play the files today, I noticed that Tangled is showing a split second of "blockiness" in the picture during every scene transition, but The Lorax plays just fine.

I don't know if this means that AnyDVD-HD is doing a better job of ripping 3D-BDs than MakeMKV, or not.  Both films are 24fps, so I don't think this is a frame rate issue.  Has anyone else noticed this?

I'm using firmware version 1.05 on a MED1000X3D.  NSF share with tcp/udp set to Auto and 32k.  1080P 24fps is ON, and Auto Frame Rate is Off.

UPDATE:  This issue is probably not MakeMKV's fault.  I tried playing Tangled 3D as an ISO (without using MakeMKV of course), and the problem was still there.  So it seems the problem must lie with my MED1000X3D or with my network.  Also, it seems the split-second blockiness during scene transitions is only visible in the right eye.  This may be the same was what mattmarsden was reporting earlier in this thread.

Just tried to make a 3D MKV rip for Tangled 3D and noticed the same block artifacts on scene cuts or fades.
I made multiple versions and all of them have the same problem:
- 3D Blu-ray Disc -> MakeMKV (1.8.9) -> MKV MVC 3D;
- BluFab (9.1.3.5) Full disc -> MakeMKV (1.8.9) -> MKV MVC 3D;
- BluFab (9.1.3.5) Full disc folder.

So two different tools give the same result. It looks to me that there is something wrong in Mede8er 3D MVC playback.
Did anybody managed to solve this problem?

P.S.
My Samsung hardware Blu-ray player is playing this 3D movie without any problems.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on March 27, 2014, 09:37:58 pm
There are some BD's that  are on the limit of Bd encoding. Real BD players got a firmware upgrade because as real BD players they could be expected to come across these extreme  files. How can  code not expected to be used with "any" bd sourced  media justify such an  upgrade without realtek  admitting they are supporting illegal  ripping?   The code the media players can use  is only meant  to play camcorder files and camcorders get no where  near those limits. It's amazing the code   does as much  as it does.  

Tangled 3d is the supreme example of such media.  Only a real BD player can legally justify an upgrade to play it.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Bytec on March 28, 2014, 05:13:23 am
There are some BD's that  are on the limit of Bd encoding. Real BD players got a firmware upgrade because as real BD players they could be expected to come across these extreme  files. How can  code not expected to be used with "any" bd sourced  media justify such an  upgrade without realtek  admitting they are supporting illegal  ripping?   The code the media players can use  is only meant  to play camcorder files and camcorders get no where  near those limits. It's amazing the code   does as much  as it does.  

Tangled 3d is the supreme example of such media.  Only a real BD player can legally justify an upgrade to play it.

I'm not asking for Full BD playback and I practically don't use BD Lite. I was well aware of that when purchasing MED1000X3D player.

I'm interested in MKV files with MVC 3D video (Mede8er specs include that) and that could originate from various sources not necessarily from BD.

"... upgrade without Realtek  admitting they are supporting illegal  ripping..." sounds like BS :)
Realtek only needs to play 3D MVC MKV files and that has nothing to do with acquisition of those files.
What about 2D MKV files? Or do you say MKV files are illegal per se?


Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on March 28, 2014, 09:04:19 am
I'm not asking for Full BD playback and I practically don't use BD Lite. I was well aware of that when purchasing MED1000X3D player.

I'm interested in MKV files with MVC 3D video (Mede8er specs include that) and that could originate from various sources not necessarily from BD.

"... upgrade without Realtek  admitting they are supporting illegal  ripping..." sounds like BS :)
Realtek only needs to play 3D MVC MKV files and that has nothing to do with acquisition of those files.
What about 2D MKV files? Or do you say MKV files are illegal per se?




That's OK then.....stop using bd rips and you won't have a problem.  Realtek can't fix something none of us should be doing, even difficult 2d be rips if any exist.

The player chip is   bd player chip with bolt on package support for mkv.  

Bd lite no longer exists.  Since cinavia you  have BD code (with ciniavia) and AVCHD 2.0 code (without cinavia)

Why on earth would Sony go to the extremes of implementing cinavia to prevent you making clones to recordable BD, and then offer you perfect playback  via hard drive rips?

This whole thread is about the fact BD branching is not supported, so  using AVCHD 2.0 is not just about having poor menu support, its limited in all kinds of ways.  Media companies could be aware of those limits...and deliberately encode using them even if not required. Hence BD's with hundreds of uneeded branch points.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Bytec on March 28, 2014, 10:08:57 am
That's OK then.....stop using bd rips and you won't have a problem.  Realtek can't fix something none of us should be doing, even difficult 2d be rips if any exist.

The player chip is   bd player chip with bolt on package support for mkv.

"...Realtek can't fix something none of us should be doing..." What do you mean exactly?
It is not Realteks concern where the content comes from.
Copyright and DRM is entirely different subject and it varies from country to country - many have fair use laws...

According to Mede8er web page features demo it doesn't look like Mede8er is used for home made videos only. :)
http://youtu.be/dqZP5dII_yE

3D is one of the main features of MED1000X3D and that is what I'm asking for.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on March 28, 2014, 10:13:05 am
You are getting that within the limits of the AVCHD 2.0 code that media players can use. There is no code designed for media players....Sony licence all BD code though BD.org and would come down  like a ton of bricks on anyone making cinavia free code play media  better than AVCHD 2.0 camcorders need...just to make bd rips play  better.  So  that means no  fixes for branching, no fix for BD encodes which push beyond the needs of AVCHD 2.0 camcorders. REaltek  don't want to lose their licenced code for bd players just to keep the smaller media plyer market completely happy. Their AVCHD 2.0 code is there on a take it or leave it basis. It is fit for it's licenced purpose...if others (OEMS) chose to use it beyond that  then that is up  to  them.

So  what  you have is a system running the AVCHD 2.0 code, with a bolt on package handler. MKV doesn't bypass AVCHD 2.0 and it's limits...the package is opended and the contents sent to it.  

You have to  deal  with the reality of the code building blocks that  can  be used. Advertising is another matter....people don't want to  know about such things. 

Nowhere does it say "every" this  or that  will play. Indeed the  word "almost" is prominent in the advertising.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Bytec on March 28, 2014, 04:14:06 pm
Did some additional tests using tsMuxer and noticed that block artifacts are only in right eye view in all of the output copies I tried. So it's some sort of MVC decoding problem in Mede8er.

None of my 7 other 3D Blu-ray movies have this problem (all converted with MakeMKV to 3D MVC MKV files).
Tangled 3D is my 8tn 3D Blu-ray movie and so far no luck getting it to play on Mede8er MED1000X3D.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: SickPotato on May 04, 2014, 10:16:39 pm
Tsmuxer has now caught up with MakeMKV. V2  handles 3D, and will also remove branching, but in BD form. It is also lossless repackaging. The x3d BD player processes subtitles correctly.

Can someone make a tutorial on how to do this correctly with Tsmuxer?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: ^jpb^ on May 26, 2014, 04:36:08 pm
Hallo,

I am new to mede8ers and to this forum.
I have a MED600X3D and am trying to use MakeMKV to create a 3D MVC MKV from a BD_ISO.
Both the BD_ISO and the resulting MKV file will only play in 2D through the mede8er.
My mede8er does not give me a 3D Simulation option. Only the two 3D red/cyan options.
I would like to get this function working. I love my mede8er and so far this is my only complaint.
I have also re-installed the latest firmware twice, just incase.
Any help is greatly appreciated. MediaInfo on the MKV file is included below.
(Not sure if type of TV matters, but it is a Panasonic 50ST60).
Thanks again.

General
Unique ID                                : 174067968158219902294465973281100841356 (0x82F4456EE681415C09E094DB866EC18C)
Complete name                            : C:\Users\BANANA\Desktop\Watchables\Prometheus.3DTAB.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 35.9 GiB
Duration                                 : 2h 3mn
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 41.5 Mbps
Movie name                               : Prometheus
Encoded date                             : UTC 2014-05-23 16:45:45
Writing application                      : MakeMKV v1.8.10 win(x64-release)
Writing library                          : libmakemkv v1.8.10 (1.3.0/1.4.1) win(x64-release)

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1
MultiView_Count                          : 2
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 2h 3mn
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on May 26, 2014, 05:06:38 pm
The player is probably not getting an  edid from the TV saying 3d is supported. .
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: bazzio on May 28, 2014, 10:41:49 am
Is your Mede8er connected directly to your Panasonic or via a receiver?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jsbowl16 on October 20, 2014, 03:34:08 pm
I was having problems with Wreck It Ralph 3D freezing as an iso so I decided to try MakeMKV.  Looks promising so far. My biggest concern is that I had to put either TB or SBS in the name to force 3D. I noticed that if I put in TB, it gives me different options in the menu during the movie like there is a difference between if I use SBS or TB.

My questions:

Is there is a difference between the way that SBS and TB will show on screen? Which one do I want to force?

Usually I use iso's so the movie just plays in 3D and I do not know if it is utilizing SBS or TB.

Should I be choosing SBS or TB for all of them or does it depend on the movie?

If I force TB or SBS is it exactly the same as what normally comes out of the iso or am I losing some of the 3D effects?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re:
Post by: Fmedrano1977 on October 21, 2014, 06:57:01 pm
I use 3DTAB and from what I read,  the player auto detects the mvc stream and plays it as such.

HTC One (m8)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jsbowl16 on October 22, 2014, 02:17:13 am
Thanks for the reply. I tried it with TB and when I pressed the button for menu while the movie was playing in 3D, it gave me different options than it does when I play the straight ISO rip. When I tried it in SBS, the options were the same as when I play the straight ISO rip so for Wreck It Ralph, I am assuming I want SBS. I guess I will just try it with each movie that I need to use makeMKV on and go from there.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: d2florin on October 23, 2014, 03:40:05 pm
Hello

  I have ripped now an ISO maleficent 3D. everything is OK but the english subtitles is not showed in 3D, is in 2D
 
 thanks
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: turls on October 29, 2014, 07:37:06 pm
Is Tsmuxer advice vs MakeMKV still relevant?  The program hasn't been updated since Jan '14, where MakeMKV is constantly updated.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on October 29, 2014, 08:57:06 pm
Just check  the 3d subtitles for  depth. I'm not even  sure MakeMKV is changed...just the use date terminates and they  renew it in the new build.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: turls on October 29, 2014, 10:45:12 pm
Just check  the 3d subtitles for  depth. I'm not even  sure MakeMKV is changed...just the use date terminates and they  renew it in the new build.

There are significant changes according to the release notes.  The encryption is a moving target of course, at the very least.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: d2florin on October 31, 2014, 08:14:16 am
Hello ,

  I am not verry familiar with these terms . "just the use date terminates and they  renew it in the new build."
  What should I do in order to see the subs in 3D ?

 Regards,
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on October 31, 2014, 10:03:24 am
Once you start using MakeMKV you  find it's in permenant Beta mode, and after a time it says the current version has expired and you must download a new version.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: mixmix on October 31, 2014, 10:09:57 am
Hi !

I would like convert full 3D .iso to full 3d .mkv, so i use MakeMKV
I select my iso file, and i see 2 titles with the same size (42Go)

What should I select ? both ?
or, one with "MVC" into "video" ?

Because, when i selected one title, i've my output file mkv, i open it on my Computer and this file is like a 2D with one image et not two (a file SBS or TAB has two images...), Is this normal?

When i want to play my ISO3D (SBS) on my MED800, I turn on the 3D option about my tv on "SBS", i don't touch 3d options on the med ....
With the .mkv "MVC" , Do I enable 3D options on the med? Or the activation of 3D options about my tv is sufficient ?

Thank  ;)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: d2florin on October 31, 2014, 11:23:47 am
Hello ,

  I always select the mvc version the biggest version from the 2 files . After extraction I append in the name of the file : movie.3DTAB.mkv , then the TV automatically detects the 3d header and no remote control button is necessary to press.
   if you do not append 3Dtab you will se 2D and yiu should press 3D button from remote control of tv

  I hope that I answered your question,

 Regards,   
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: mixmix on October 31, 2014, 11:31:57 am
Ah ok
So, if my video mkv has only one image like a 2D film, it's normal, I just need activate 3D tv ?
The MKV MVC are only in TAB ? not SBS ?

I've tv 3d active, what the better ?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on October 31, 2014, 11:42:32 am
Ah ok
So, if my video mkv has only one image like a 2D film, it's normal, I just need activate 3D tv ?
The MKV MVC are only in TAB ? not SBS ?

I've tv 3d active, what the better ?

TV's can only handle anamorphic...that is SBS or TAB.  Only the player can process MVC as it has to be processed before the HDMI stage from the disk  format to HDMI frame packed. 
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: mixmix on October 31, 2014, 11:52:45 am
So the MVC is processed by the MED and the 3D option is enabled on the tv?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on October 31, 2014, 12:25:10 pm
So the MVC is processed by the MED and the 3D option is enabled on the tv?

3d on the TV is created 2 ways.

1) it takes the tab or SBS and creates the alternate frames for it self...if you activate 3d on the TV when it asks.

2) it switches to 3d display ( not 3d processing)  automatically when it gets HDMI frame packed 3d from the source. The player will create frame packed output for SBS and tab as well if it processes those formats.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: mixmix on October 31, 2014, 12:29:28 pm
Thank you I will test it  :)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: cniedzi on November 13, 2014, 08:56:17 pm
Hi,

I've got a problem with creating simplified version of full 3DBDISO image (MVC 3D).

1. In the first step I've make MKV (MVC 3D) containing only choosen audio streams and subs using MakeMKV - X3D recognizes it as 3D movie and plays it fine.
2. Then I've created new 3DBDISO from above MKV using tsMuxeR - X3D doesn't recognize new 3DBDISO as 3D movie and plays it as 2D....

Please find below details of:
- original full 3DBDISO: https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/689x519q90/661/8PND4t.jpg (https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/689x519q90/661/8PND4t.jpg)
- new 3DBDISO:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/689x519q90/673/LsN2gy.jpg (https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/689x519q90/673/LsN2gy.jpg)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/440x529q90/912/f2Mmv1.jpg (https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/440x529q90/912/f2Mmv1.jpg)

What's wrong?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: cniedzi on November 15, 2014, 03:58:33 pm
any ideas?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on November 15, 2014, 05:23:37 pm
Use the iso option in tsremuxer, not ts.

You load a playlist, not ssifs manually, into tsmuxer.

Thera are many online guides for tsmuxer. Try the slysoft forum.

If you do look in the ssifs folder, identify the largest file. Its number will be the 3d playlist. So find the playlist with that number and open it in tsnuxer.

Rember, the subtitle issue is not that makemkv loses the depth, its that the player ignores it with mkv. So its easier to make the MVC mkv, and then open that in tsmuxer. That bypasses the whole playlist problem, and creates an iso which will use the depth information inherited from the mkv.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: cniedzi on November 15, 2014, 10:45:39 pm
Thx for reply. It was actualy ISO option choosen to create 3DBDISO (attached screens show only content of new created ISO and therefore ts option doesn't matter). New ISO was created in tsmuxer by loading MVC MKV created with MakeMKV - exactly the way you depicted - so the strange issue is it doesn't play...
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on November 16, 2014, 08:45:08 am
What about the original 3d iso?  If you have Bd Menu on, 24/23.976 is disabled when playing iso, so MVC is impossible. MKV would not have that problem.

Only those making simple camcorder menus should turn it on as required.  
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: cniedzi on November 16, 2014, 12:16:10 pm
Strange... original 3D ISO (MVC) is playing perfectly in 3D and I have BD Lite menu on (because of my home made BDs)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on November 16, 2014, 03:44:39 pm
Do  you have Resume Play on?  If you played any before putting Bd Menu on then the Resume Data could trigger MVC. Any new ones wouldn't start with Bd Menu on, which is the problem  your saying you have with your new 3d ISO.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Wyerd on November 20, 2014, 04:01:02 am
New Mede8er user here. I've ripped Edge of Tomorrow to a MVC MKV and called the file Edge of Tomorrow (2014).3DTAB.MKV
The 600x3d plays it in 3D automatically, but the image makes me feel sick until I turn the 3D glasses upside down! So it looks like something has transposed the image for the correct eye. Would this be MakeMKV or is it something to to with the x3d or the file name?
The original BD plays fine using a Samsung BD player to a Panasonic Projector.
Any suggestion where to start looking?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on November 20, 2014, 09:12:01 am
Use the invert left right option on either the player menu, or the TV. Its an expected phenomana, hence why both have it. If it was only a player issue the TV wouldnt have a Menu option for it either.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: westham on December 01, 2014, 01:14:24 pm
Use the invert left right option on either the player menu, or the TV. Its an expected phenomana, hence why both have it. If it was only a player issue the TV wouldnt have a Menu option for it either.

I just found this thread after doing the same thing myself. MakeMKV (Mac) rip of the Edge of Tomorrow and had to research what was wrong with the resulting rip. Is there any way to get this right in the ripping stage without having to wait until you view the file?

Thanks
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on December 01, 2014, 02:18:26 pm
TSmuxer has  Primary eye option, but I don't have a faulty MKV to  try it with.

You have to  select bluray as the output, and go  to  the top Bluray options.  See what happens with or without using the Right Eye option.

I am just using it for the first time.  In my case it should screw things up if it does anything.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: westham on December 01, 2014, 02:23:06 pm
TSmuxer has  Primary eye option, but I don't have a faulty MKV to  try it with.

You have to  select bluray as the output, and go  to  the top Bluray options.  See what happens with or without using the Right Eye option.

Many thanks I will give it a try.

Any one know how you determine which option is correct (left/right) before you go through all of this or is it trial and error for each disc?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on December 01, 2014, 02:26:27 pm
I think the issue is offiucally MKV supports 3d via mk3d, which isn't for MVC but stereo like SBS.  So it has no field to put the first eye in for MVC. So MakeMKV could see the data in the iso, but has nowhere to  put it.


Since using TAB off the menu triggers MVC processing.....it might be possible to remux MKV to mkv3d stating  its TAB,  and which is first Top or bottom. It could just create an unplayable file.


Did you have the problem with the iso as well?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: davedipster on December 21, 2014, 09:50:53 am
If anyone has issues with DTSMA audio not playing, just choose FLAC as the audio output in MAKEMKV.

dipster
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: lazostat on January 09, 2015, 09:22:57 pm
I put a 3d iso to makemkv and i created a mkv, but my tv dont play it like 3d. I can see no over/under or right/left image on the movie..
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on January 10, 2015, 02:55:14 pm
That is what Stereoscopic player does on a PC. The X3D is a true 3d player and converts MVC to HDMI framepacked.  All  the TV has to  do is take  each  eye in turn directly from the stream.   
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: crussader on February 25, 2015, 05:10:47 pm
just choose FLAC as the audio output in MAKEMKV.

I am using the latest version of MakeMKV, but I can't find where to make this selection in the menus. Any help?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: crussader on February 25, 2015, 06:10:29 pm
Solved. Have to enable expert mode in the preferences.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Johno75 on March 02, 2015, 12:28:05 am
hi,

probably a stupid question here but do you know which tab to use in the filename either TAB or SBS? is it film dependent or does it matter which one  you use?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on March 02, 2015, 09:45:44 am
You can now use .MVC.   The prevois triggers for MVC where those the SDK used via the 3d menu. 
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Johno75 on March 02, 2015, 10:50:21 am
Thanks for that. Is that for just for firmwares after a certain revision (as I haven't updated for a while)?

So an example file and now would be

xxxx.MVC.mkv or do you still need 3D in file name?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on March 02, 2015, 10:55:09 am
Thanks for that. Is that for just for firmwares after a certain revision (as I haven't updated for a while)?

So an example file and now would be

xxxx.MVC.mkv or do you still need 3D in file name?


http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,15654.msg102151.html#msg102151

Item 7.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: crussader on March 03, 2015, 03:28:39 pm
Quote
Item 7.

I just found the compelling reason to upgrade my firmware.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on March 03, 2015, 03:43:13 pm
I just found the compelling reason to upgrade my firmware.

That dosnt meant it converts to MVC.  Its for those who like consistency..and want  to use an MVC trigger name for the MVC files they have ripped.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: crussader on March 03, 2015, 09:24:40 pm
That dosnt meant it converts to MVC. 

Doesn't MakeMKV produce the MVC file?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on March 03, 2015, 09:40:55 pm
Doesn't MakeMKV produce the MVC file?

MVC is the 3d video format used by a bd disk. Makemkv just rewraps the MVC. It dosnt convert other formats to MVC.
For consistency, those rewrapping MVC in MKV wanted an MVC trigger.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: emma24xia on April 09, 2015, 06:48:50 am
MakeMKV works great on extracting 3D Blu-ray disc to MKV, but it does not work for BD ISO so far. So I turned to ByteCopy, another lossless MKV backup tool I find online, what I like best is it copies my Blu-ray to MKV with multiple languages.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on April 09, 2015, 06:57:49 am
You use something like Virtual Clonedrive to mount the iso.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Johno75 on April 13, 2015, 12:58:09 am
If I put mvc in the file name of a 3d movie I've made into a mkv using makemkv it won't play he first time I try to play it. I have to stop it and press play again and then it will run properly. If I don't I either get a black screen or scrambled picture etc.

Any idea what I can do to fix it?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on April 13, 2015, 07:35:54 am
Does it work if you use the old trigger "tb"?

Also makemkv dont keep up with the latest aanti copying techniques.  For some you have to use anydvdhd first, and rip to iso. Then mount the iso and rerip it using makemkv.


If you google about ripping that particuler bd you may get hits on some irritating new anti copying idea.
Title: Re:
Post by: Fmedrano1977 on April 13, 2015, 09:48:49 am
Use   name.3DTAB.mkv

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Post by: Johno75 on April 17, 2015, 10:23:56 am
Use   name.3DTAB.mkv

HTC One m8

the reason why i started using MVC is I asked how do you tell if you need to use TAB or SBS and I was advised to use MVC. So should I just use TAB?
Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: Fmedrano1977 on April 17, 2015, 05:33:15 pm
the reason why i started using MVC is I asked how do you tell if you need to use TAB or SBS and I was advised to use MVC. So should I just use TAB?
Well if your creating MVC MKVs,I don't think it matters which one you use. It's just used to instruct the player your playing a 3D movie and it will automatically detect the mvc mkv and play it as such. 3DTAB is what I use and it's worked flawlessly for me.

HTC One M9
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Johno75 on April 18, 2015, 07:19:33 am
Use   name.3DTAB.mkv

HTC One m8

If I use 3DTAB I still have to start the movie stop it and start it again for it to work properly!
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on April 18, 2015, 07:52:26 am
Is this with every MVC rip?
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Johno75 on April 18, 2015, 08:16:04 am
Is this with every MVC rip?

Yep
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: ZzBloopzZ on September 26, 2015, 06:50:11 pm
Which tool is best these days, MakeMKV or TSMuxer, and why?

Full ISO back ups are taking up too much space, want to get file size smaller but with best picture quality.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: couto on September 27, 2015, 12:00:36 am
Which tool is best these days, MakeMKV or TSMuxer, and why?

Full ISO back ups are taking up too much space, want to get file size smaller but with best picture quality.

Thanks!

Ive rip all my ISOs to MKV, the average size drop from 40GB to 25gb p/ file.

Why Mkv ?
Its a format that is compatible with most media players, subtitles, HDaudio trouble free.
Like the 2D the 3DMCV also works well without issues...

My Oppo 103 (cinavia player) plays all the MKVs (except 3D) including all the cinavia Movies from my library....
Also Mkv is Mac compatible...if is the case..

Quality is lossless, because the MakeMKV extract the audio and video track without conversion....the bitrate remains the same..
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: eentje on October 06, 2015, 10:29:15 pm
i do the same. Rip bd with makemkv for the filesize and then i use handbrake on it so make it even smaller without any qualilty loss. atleast not that my eyes can see :)

bd 50gb makemkv 25gb handbreake 12gb :) so 4 files instead of 1 ;)
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: ZzBloopzZ on October 22, 2015, 03:48:59 pm
I have started using tsMuxer to ISO since I noticed the subtitles look more "3Dish" with tsMuxer compared to MakeMKV. Plus, it is free! Looks like this information is posted at the end of the first post of this thread.

I use all default settings and just select the Video (Must select both AVC and MVC video) then the english soundtrack/subtitle I want. Output to ISO and boom you are done!
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: docbill on December 03, 2015, 03:20:13 pm
Now that all the extended editions of the Hobbit are out, I took my first journey into 3-D movies by buying the 3-D extended edition set.   I don't own a 3-D TV, and I am blind in one eye.   So my wife and son have been testing for me with coloured glasses.

The first think I noticed is on a 3-D disc all the titles are labeled as MVC by MakeMKV, but most are not.   If I try to make them viewed in 3-D anyway, the Mede8er gets confused and displays absolute garbage...

Next I noticed horrible stuttering when attempting to play 3-D movies ripped with Makemkv directly.  A 31 GB file simply does not stream well across the network.   My past tests showed plugging in a disk to the Mede8er does no better than across my network.  It the bitrate is too high, it will still stutter.

So I needed a way to compress the 3-D movies.   My first attempt was of course to process them the same way I do 2-D movies, which is MakeMKV and then Handbrake.   The results look absolutely stunning.   Unfortunately, the results are just 2-D.

Solution:  BDtoAVCHD.   This is one of the few programs I can find that can reencode MVC movies and leave them as MVC.   So I don't have create both a 3-D and a 2-D version of the movie, and the movie can be reduced to a more managable bitrate.   Now it turns out there are a few tricks I had to learn to get it right.

1. When BDtoAVCHD recognizes a 3-D movie, it will show a 3-D logo.   It turns out BDtoAVCHD will never recognize a MKV as 3-D.   So instead of ripping with MakeMKV I need to rip with DVDFab.
2. Once you have a 3-D movie loaded, click on the 3-D movie and select MVC output.   This will automatically change the output to BD-25.
3. In most cases BD-25 will do no additional compression.  If you select a lower bitrate, it will simply be ignored.   So you need to select AVCHD BD-9.
4. Often the bitrate auto selected is too low.  If you try and use too low of a bitrate your results will not be playable, or even copyable.   I use at least 12000, and that seems to work.
5. Once you have the ISO file created by BDtoAVCHD, mount it and use MakeMKV to convert it to an MKV.

The final movie will be smaller for at least two reasons:
1. You probably used a bitrate that reduced the quality.
2. Your audio was probably down converted to DTS Core.   Unless you have a really good receiver and speakers, you won't know the difference...

If you want afterwards you can try using mkv tools to swap around tracks from the raw file, or do different audio conversions.   In my tests I find VLC can play the movies fine in 2-D.   The mede8er seems to be able to play the 3-D.    The windows 10 film player app fails to output any of the audio...

I have not done complete testing, or even just sat down to watch the movies I ripped in 2-D, since that is what I can see.  My main goal here was to future proof myself, so I don't have to dig the discs and re-rip them if your next TV is a 3-D TV...

I would appreciate comments on other ways to do effectively the same thing, as I find this conversion is horrible slow, and I don't really like using bitrate encoding instead of quality factor encoding.




Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: jer1956 on December 03, 2015, 05:51:55 pm
Lots of people successfully stream and play 3g ISO or mvc mkv. You have to separate network stutter from clock stutter. Turning on Bd menu creates lots of clock issues for bd rips.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: Hotrod on January 05, 2016, 06:47:44 pm
MakeMKV files not showing in 3D ( Mede8er 600X3D )

This maybe a little off topic but still relevant to some forum members here.

I have produced my first batch of 3D MKVs from MakeMKV. All play superbly in 2D.
However the 3D option on the 600X3D is not present except for 3D red/cyan SBS or T-B .

Now, on plugging the HDMI output directly into my Plasma 3D Display I get the full 3D menu and full 3D playback, but of course no HD Surround audio.

I therefore conclude that the issue is with the HDMI handshake between the 600X3D and my AVR ( Denon 4308 ). Ie my AVR is saying that it is not 3D capable.
The AVR predates 3D although it is very full HD capable, having had it working extremely well in 3D on other media boxes ( eg Dune ). Its just that it cannot produce the correct HDMI handshake !

My question is then :

1. Can the 600X3D be forced to output normal 3D, overriding the AVR handshake response ?

Or alternatively

2. Does anyone know of a HDMI box that can sit between the 600X3D and my AVR that will produce the correct handshake and will enable the 600 to deliver full HD to the AVR. A possible additional alternative is a box that will spit the video and audio into separate HDMI outputs ?

Any suggestions would be welcome, naturally I would not want to replace a very capable AVR !

Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: K.B.Nikto on January 05, 2016, 08:52:25 pm
That's interesting to me that 3D works with the Dune player and the 4308. I had a 4308 but had to either use a BD player with two outputs (one to the set, one to the AVR) or, for files, use an HDMI splitter so audio would go to the AVR and video to the 3D set or projector. The splitter was cheap, perhaps $20 from Amazon and it worked great. I never experienced a handshake confusion, though I believe I had to restart the AVR when wanting to watch 3D.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: RythmDivine on February 19, 2016, 01:48:09 pm
MakeMKV works great on extracting 3D Blu-ray disc to MKV, but it does not work for BD ISO so far. So I turned to ByteCopy, another lossless MKV backup tool I find online, what I like best is it copies my Blu-ray to MKV with multiple languages.

Negative. I have just used MakeMKV to extract three 3D BD-ISOs in the last 3 hours.
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: docbill on July 19, 2016, 01:18:18 am
1. When BDtoAVCHD recognizes a 3-D movie, it will show a 3-D logo.   It turns out BDtoAVCHD will never recognize a MKV as 3-D.   So instead of ripping with MakeMKV I need to rip with DVDFab.

I made the mistake of updating DVDFab not realizing the newer versions no longer rip blu-ray for free.   I tried a couple of other free rippers, but none I have tried so far maintain the 3-D structure in a way BDtoAVCHD recognizes.   For now I'm using the free trial of passkey.  That gives me about 30 days to find a new free program or to buy something.   I really wish I could simply use makemkv for 3-D movies...
Title: Re: Makemkv - Extract 3DBDISO to MKV - lots of benefits
Post by: bergercliff on August 25, 2017, 03:36:29 am
Infact, ISO is not a video file, you need to find the video format like VOB in the ISO folder, and then convert .vob to MKV, MP4 etc.
I use iDealshare VideoGo to achieve this task: https://www.idealshare.net/video-converter/convert-iso-to-mkv.html