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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2012, 08:35:05 pm »
Thanks for the reply guys!
So if it's not already fixed, then itt will be? Hmm that's cool i will order mine tomorrow :) Btw i'm from Hungary, Europe so i have PAL

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2012, 08:43:21 pm »
We prefer saying it's fixed..but yet to be released. That's  different from saying we are working on a fix..but have no idea what it is. The likes of Couto can confirm they don't have the issue with their test firmware.

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2012, 08:57:00 pm »
Nice, thanks. Defeneatly ordering one :)

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2012, 02:39:23 pm »
Hello

For your information, I have also this bug, my med600x3d is connected via my amplifier onkyo nr616 to my sony TV 65hx920.

The picture jumps every 40 seconds

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2012, 03:12:55 pm »
Hello

For your information, I have also this bug, my med600x3d is connected via my amplifier onkyo nr616 to my sony TV 65hx920.

The picture jumps every 40 seconds

cordially,

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Connect to hdmi for 1080p/24
Put autoframe rate on in x3

On your sony tv try to turn off/on the Motion Enhancer---Motionflow XR 800

Try to shutdown panoramic mode that is in auto mode.

Its a 65" tv with 200hz refresh rate, its not the best of specs for a good frame deinterlation, look  at review of 84 inch lg 4k tv in whathifi, its a flagship model 22.000£  but still cant handle with motion very well.

http://www.whathifi.com/review/84lm960v?utm_source=Silverpop&utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=WHIF%20ENews%20Bulletin%20(12.12.2012)&utm_content=article20_headerline
« Last Edit: December 13, 2012, 03:24:37 pm by couto »
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Video setting: 23,976Hz On, auto frame ON
Media Source: Wired Network > ds412+ synology
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Media Files:ISO 3D, MKV, FLAC

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2012, 03:44:20 pm »
Im not sayinng its your tv fault , but doesnt help either

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The bad: The extremely expensive XBR-HX929 shows some blooming artifacts, and its picture deteriorates more noticeably than usual when seen from off-angle. Its menu and Internet service design is lackluster, and Sony does not include 3D glasses. When displaying 3D, the image flickers when dejudder is turned off, and it deteriorates rapidly when you tilt your head.


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The available adjustments themselves are somewhat sparse by today's standards. The company didn't add the option to adjust dejudder processing beyond the four presets, and unlike some competitors it doesn't offer a 10-point white-balance control or color management system. A pair of wacky processing extras differentiates the XBR-HX929's settings from lower-end Sonys.

Whats is  this wacky processing they are talking about?

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Video processing: With Motion Flow set to the Off position, the HX929 correctly handled 1080p/24 film cadence. All of the other settings introduced some degree of smoothing (dejudder), although Clear 1 came closest to Off, preserving a good deal of judder and keeping smoothness to a relatively low, albeit still easily discernable, level. As usual we wished for a Custom implementation similar to what Samsung provides, as opposed to having to select from presets.

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Two of those presets, Clear and Clear Plus, use backlight scanning for maximum motion resolution. The other two, Standard and Smooth, do not, and come in at around 900 lines. As usual we couldn't tell the difference in normal program material between any of these settings, including Off.

We also checked out Sony's Reality Creation system and preferred to leave it set to Off for high-quality sources. The Resolution portion seemed to act a lot like a sharpness control, adding edge enhancement at high levels and softening the image when we turned it down. The Noise Reduction section might be useful (along with the three other NR settings) for some lower-quality material, but had no impact we could discern on high-quality sources.

We chose to turn on the Smooth Gradation control, however, choosing Low, because the default Off position left small artifacts around the diagonal lines on our Sharpness test pattern. We noticed no ill effects in Low, and no difference in false contouring regardless of which setting we used.

Unlike the 909 and most other TVs we've tested, the 929 failed our 1080i de-interlacing test, so you may see some minor artifacts in 1080i film-based material.

Do you have a Apple tv to test on?

Advice play with your tv settings see whats The best, pick one movie only where The 40s is seen, And adjust , it require time And patiente, until The new sdk arrives.

Ps: 920 is european model, 929 is us model, but are The same full local dimming And nice black levels.
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Video setting: 23,976Hz On, auto frame ON
Media Source: Wired Network > ds412+ synology
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Media Files:ISO 3D, MKV, FLAC

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2012, 10:46:39 pm »
buy it, its fixed

even with 23,99 its very smooth unless your tv make a lousy job, but its rare to see issues.

i had a apple tv2 and now apple tv 3 and the framerate was/ is  23,99, and they are apple.

whats your tv model by the way ? ntsc or pal ?

regards

Already being an owner of the MED1000X3D I would like to know whether the clock fix will ensure that the MED1000X3D outputs an exact frame rate of 23,976Hz. I´m getting more and more confused now that you are mentioning a frequency of 29,99Hz which should be “smooth enough” unless your display device is making a “lousy job”.
Are you saying that the display device is responsible for displaying the “right” frame rate.
My understanding always was that the playback device should be responsible for the correct frame rate.
I hooked up my MED1000X3D to the brandnew Sony Projector VPL-HW50.
In addition to the recently bought MED1000X3D I got a Popcornhour C-200 and a Dune Smart H1 which both never gave me any problems regarding a frame rate of 23,976Hz even with my old Sony projector VPL-HW10.
 I also checked the MED1000X3D with a Sony TV KDL-52Z4500 but you can still see the “hiccup” even with Motionflow turned off (on the HW50 and my TV).
I hope you are right that the clock fix will get rid of this problem because apart from the frame rate issue I´m very pleased with the MED1000X3D .  So I guess I have to wait until January to see for myself whether this matter is solved.

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2012, 01:02:47 am »
@besson

i can guarantee it is fixed, i test with my  projector  espon TW600 and shows 23,97 other with projectors also had the same result, and my pj doesnt have any kind of frame interpolation.

regarding my words tv makes lousy job dont interprete me wrong, you are right saying that the media player should output the correct frame 23,97.

Some tvs can hide or mask the 23,99 error other tv dont do it so well....

i dont have issues with 23,99, because my TV ue40d6530 (400hz ) masks the error, and the projector 480hz also hide the error at  23,99hz.
im not a unique case,  theres more reports around the web with similar experience.

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ITS NOT JUST THE TV THAT HELPS THERES OTHER FACTORS TO CONTRIBUTE.....BY COUTO

But let me share my  experience i had a few days ago

i buy all my BD movies and rip it , and i dont have any issues every 40 seconds

my friend use the downloads metod to get is movies, i was showing him the med600x3d, trying my  ORIGINAL movies and stuff , he like so much that he bring is hard drive with is downloaded  movies.

FIRST TEST FROM MY FRIENDS HARD DRIVE  

avatar 3D.sbs.mkv  --- 19GB encoded subtitles side by side, format  mpeg4, dolby digital, etc  i think he use mkvmerge at least was what mediainfo reports

first 10 seconds of the download avatar 3D ,  i see a  issue like the one you see every 40 seconds, another 40 seconds and again and again.

put my ripped avatar  3D from original and is fine, fine , fine NO ISSUES.

hard drive > usb > med600x3d >hdmi 1.4  > LG 3D TV

to make sure was not hard drive, we copy is  avatar 3D to my hard drive and the issues was still there.

that leads to conclude, is avatar 3D movie has problems, and  that a crappy download from the internet can ruin anybody's viewing  experience, and its easy to blame a product that performs well.

thats why i mention in my previous post apple tv3 with 23,99 and i dont see 40 second  issues.

my advice to anyone : if you reporting a 23,976 issue make sure your movie doesnt come from the internet.

FINAL TEST MY FRIENDS  AVATAR 3D,  WITH  RAW BETA 23,97  

ill tell you tomorrow  :)










 








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Video setting: 23,976Hz On, auto frame ON
Media Source: Wired Network > ds412+ synology
Router. Linksys E4200
Protocol : UDP 32K
Media Files:ISO 3D, MKV, FLAC

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2012, 03:42:08 am »
I too can confirm that the new SDK has fixed my problems with the 24p stutter too. And there a lot of people in the beta testing forums who can vouch for the same.
The stutter has been solved and on my Panasonic AE8000 projector now plays files without a bit of stutter.
I am thrilled with the new sdk and am on route to buy another med x3d to replace my older sigma player which now is useless after this sdk fix.
So guys you can buy the new X3D's with confidence as said by Couto.
Cheers.

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2012, 06:40:05 pm »
@ couto and  @ vikc

That´s good to know and thanks for clarifying this matter.

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2012, 08:56:05 pm »
I too can confirm that the new SDK has fixed my problems with the 24p stutter too. And there a lot of people in the beta testing forums who can vouch for the same.
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I am very much interested in this fix. How can one get it? How can one become a beta tester?

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2012, 02:06:44 pm »
"...
my advice to anyone : if you reporting a 23,976 issue make sure your movie doesnt come from the internet...."

All my MKV and MKV3d are made from originals Bluray

Where i live in france, it's impossible to  download a movie  ;D ;D

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2012, 10:30:15 am »
FW 1.0.5 final is out, but 23,976 issue still exists. When will this be fixed?

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2012, 10:36:26 am »
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V2 firmware that we working on.

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Re: MED1000X3D and 23.976 fps
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2012, 11:38:16 am »
V2 with the clock fix has now reached the beta stage. This dosn't mean everything is in it, including unwanted bugs.  We are adding features to  the bare bone code that the clock testers had and testing as we go  along.